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PsyTiax
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Posted : May 3, 2008 18:42:39
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Hi everyone !
Right now I'm a bit confused, I've began learning about production a few months ago, and I reached the point where I'm beginning to understand how every aspects fits together...
Still, I'm a bit lost, as I don't know what I should try to learn next ?
- Try to create and finish a track, even if I only use presets (could lightly tweak them though) and really basic EQ and compression (without fully understanding what I'm doing) ?
- Focus on learning perfectly how my stuff function ? I have two synths, should I'll be able to create sound out of them before anything else ? And should I'll be able to use EQ and comp in an acceptable was before attempting to create a track ?
- Keep on learning about music theory to be able to create more interesting stuff ?
I know that it depends alot on the person, but right now I'm doing a bit of everything and I feel like I'm stuck, not progressing anymore  |
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MadScientist
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Posted : May 3, 2008 19:26
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I'd say try to do a track, finish it and take your time for it...while you do that, try to see what the things do, how they interact and learn how they work in theory...then try to implement the theory you learned in your track.
I wouldnt focus that much on dynamics or effects before you understand how they work in theory. so my advice would be:
for arrangement -> try try try and learn basic music theory
for the rest -> read, try out, read, try out, read, try out, try out, try out, and so on...
hope that helped a bit 
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acidkills
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Posted : May 3, 2008 20:39
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Well I can just say I started with synthesis, than learning my equipment, mixing and effects and left music theory for the end.. But its really individual and depends on your needs and what u already know.. Just dont overload your learning process..
I would say.. Learn music theory, than gradually develop..
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PsyTiax
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Posted : May 3, 2008 20:49
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Thanks for your answers...
Mhhh, seems like I'll put electronic production aside for a while, and learn music theory & to play piano...
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 3, 2008 20:58
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I agree with MadSc, and i'd also add that you seem to me more confused than stuck.
Don't think what you need to learn next until you really know what you really know. And when you are at this level you will also know what you need to learn next and you won't have to ask anyone(not that it's a bad thing).
Leave the technical stuff aside for the moment. Compression, eqing and any kind of dynamic processing will not help you create music it will only help you make your music sound better.
I say make a track and take your time for it. Focus on the arrangement and the music on it. Make something that you like, that you are proud of. Then let some other people(simple listeners and more experienced producers) listen to it and comment so you can have a reality check for your music. Take the comments into consideration and apply them into you track. And check again.
This has to be a repeating process. Your talent and potential will determine how long it's gonna take.
When the actual music content and arrangement of your music reaches an objectively pro level, then it's the time to dive into the deeper waters of music production.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : May 4, 2008 05:47
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I'm a firm believer in finishing your tracks no matter what. But that said, learning is very individual thing so while some people might make more progress learning some aspect of something inside and out, others might progress more by changing whatever aspect they are working on frequently. I think finishing track regardless is a good compromise because you kind of touch everything, but still have a chance to focus on whatever your particular interest is at the moment, so it works as a good balancer.... But that's just me.
As for theory, don't put production aside. In my experience the best way to learn theory is to try and apply it right away. Most people learn some scales and such, but never really try to use them outside of the context of "theory". While I feel that in the end music theory is not for "writing" music, but rather for explaining "why a piece of music works", I will say that actually writing music using whatever piece of theory you are studying is often an excellent way to get a grasp on it much quicker than practicing some scales and reading some books.
About the only thing that you can say about learning music is that what works depends entirely on your learning style and current knowledge base, and your focus will chance constantly for years and years. Also remember that something that doesn't really work for you now, might be exactly what you need 5 years from now. Keep and open mind, try everything and, most importantly, have fun while doing it.
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heretical
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Posted : May 4, 2008 07:10
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if you wanted to make a song on guitar would you spend all day trying out every amp there is, every type of strings, mess with every efx box and amp setting and then learn to play the guitar?
of course not, i have no idea why the idea we are actually making music is so lost on the psytrance community.
if you are just reading about theory its going to be pretty useless. a good excersise is to type the scale into the sequencer, play at back at a real slow bpm and then learn to sing the notes. until you have internalized the sound of the interval combinations of the scale you really haven't learn anything usefull about it. If you have you will be able to match the pitch of the scale with your voice, even if you don't have a "good voice". |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : May 4, 2008 22:20
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Thanks for all your answers : )
Alright then, I'll try to finish my tracks while resisting the urge to use EQ & compressor extensively !
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Spycht
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Posted : May 5, 2008 06:02
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There's no reason you can't use an EQ artistically.. I would stray from compression until you get into mixdown mode though.
The truth is you don't need someone to tell you what to learn next. Just keep going. You may feel stuck at points. You may feel like you made a huge jump forward.. then maybe someone will come along and put you in your place. Don't let any of it ever distract you from the fact that you can already accomplish something.
If you feel lost or blocked just get on your computer and do what you know how to do. Somewhere along the line you'll fuck up and something new will come.
Also, listen to the ideas in your head at night. The most useful things come from absolutely nowhere around that time. |
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