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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 13:27
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On 2010-12-24 12:46, daark wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 00:42, Upavas wrote:
@ Daark, no and no!
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yes and yes
noise levels are depending on youre soundcard
if you haven't exported that noise it is not part of the signal the signal to noise ratio stays the same and is not affected by compression but by the level of ur mixer track 
compression is compression, gain riding is gain riding and volume envelopes are volume envelopes. don't confuse different stuff
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Noise level depends on the surroundings when you record a sound, it has nothing to do with the sound card, so no, as to explaining expansion, definitely no 
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daark
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 13:49
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On 2010-12-24 13:27, Upavas wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 12:46, daark wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 00:42, Upavas wrote:
@ Daark, no and no!
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yes and yes
noise levels are depending on youre soundcard
if you haven't exported that noise it is not part of the signal the signal to noise ratio stays the same and is not affected by compression but by the level of ur mixer track
compression is compression, gain riding is gain riding and volume envelopes are volume envelopes. don't confuse different stuff
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Noise level depends on the surroundings when you record a sound, it has nothing to do with the sound card, so no, as to explaining expansion, definitely no
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whatever i'm just lazy to explain
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 14:11
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On 2010-12-24 13:49, daark wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 13:27, Upavas wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 12:46, daark wrote:
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On 2010-12-24 00:42, Upavas wrote:
@ Daark, no and no!
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yes and yes
noise levels are depending on youre soundcard
if you haven't exported that noise it is not part of the signal the signal to noise ratio stays the same and is not affected by compression but by the level of ur mixer track
compression is compression, gain riding is gain riding and volume envelopes are volume envelopes. don't confuse different stuff
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Noise level depends on the surroundings when you record a sound, it has nothing to do with the sound card, so no, as to explaining expansion, definitely no
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whatever i'm just lazy to explain
ps check yourself
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Do some research on the theory of things and try recording some sources and you'll see he (Upavas) is correct.
Everything you record in as audio will have noise in it, be it background noise, microphone noise, amplifier noise, cable noise, source noise...etc.
Bouncing soft synths internally will not have noise (not sure if there is absolutely no noise what so ever as I am not aware of the in depth physics behind thsi process), so in that kind of "wav file" no noise will be present.
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On 2010-12-23 16:47, daark wrote:
by the way all of you descriped upward compression (expanding) lol
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I don't see how compressing the peaks of a signal is upward compression? which in term is not expanding...
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Basic types of compression:
Downward compression: attenuating the signal at a ratio when it rises over a set threshold. (Turning the loud parts down, diminishing dynamic range)
Upward compression: effectively boosting the signal at a ratio when it drops below threshold (Turning the quiet parts up, diminishing dynamic range)
Downward expansion: attenuating the signal at a ratio when it drops below a set threshold (Turning the quiet parts further down, increasing dynamic range - think of a noise gate that doesn't completely cut the signal below threshold, but turns it down gradually.)
Upwards expansion: boosting the signal at a ratio when it rises over a set threshold. (Turning the loud parts further up, increasing dynamic range)
Parallel compression: is a way of achieving upward compression by mixing an uncompressed signal with a (downward) compressed signal.
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Peace out.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 14:44
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in the track im working on now I have 22 channels and 12 compressors.But mostly (not all) it's sidechain compression.
So I guess Im also a friend of compressors.
Just I definetly use only for a purpose of my ears not as a kind of habbit.
Dont know maybe in the end it comes to more comps or maybe even limiters on some channels bottoms.So it's actually not that rarely as I mentioned in my previous post.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 16:06
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daark
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Posted : Dec 25, 2010 16:21
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On 2010-12-24 14:11, disco hooligans wrote:
Do some research on the theory of things and try recording some sources and you'll see he (Upavas) is correct.
Everything you record in as audio will have noise in it, be it background noise, microphone noise, amplifier noise, cable noise, source noise...etc.
Bouncing soft synths internally will not have noise (not sure if there is absolutely no noise what so ever as I am not aware of the in depth physics behind thsi process), so in that kind of "wav file" no noise will be present.
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i talked about the digital area(how do we got to recording?), i am fully aware of what compression is in both worlds.
SO HERE IS AN ADVICE IN DIGITAL
Before you export a file from MIDI to .wav you should make your compression before if you don't wan't the noise to go up. Yes there is noise and your soundcard is resposible for the level in short.
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Gain riding has not got static settings unless the dude is a robot and for sure he has some latency in his brain.(it fits for long atk and rls) for movies it is different for fadings and actual gain riding and a console can be automated i think.
The volume envelope is static but it works differently don't you agree? There is no TRESHOLD and it needs more than 4 points to compare.
compressor can be good but if you kill the sound it is your mistake not the compressors. it can take the bass from -20 and kick from -4 and bring them to same volume.i would not agree doing it with a different technique.
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 12:06
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 12:46
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Do you know what compressor is ?
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On 2010-12-25 16:21, daark wrote:
i talked about the digital area (how do we got to recording ?) , i am fully aware of what compression is in both worlds.
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What worlds ? Where ?
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On 2010-12-25 16:21, daark wrote:
SO HERE IS AN ADVICE IN DIGITAL
Before you export a file from MIDI to .wav you should make your compression before if you don't wan't the noise to go up.
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12 years i work inverse when first i export the file to wav and then i copmress it and i dont have any noises in my music (You can check , And i use compressors on almost 95% of my sounds - The highs and the lows , Separate , Both and at the same time) .
If you work right and with an good quality vsts i dont think you may have any problam .
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On 2010-12-25 16:21, daark wrote:
compressor can be good but if you kill the sound it is your mistake not the compressors .
i would not agree doing it with a different technique.
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Realy hard to understand your point in here and what you want to express .
I dont know of what killing and mistakes you are talking about , This is all very simple .
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 13:10
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noise you got everywhere,if it is noise to ratio ,thd or the noise the device has itself near the footroom,but as far as I know you can not add aditional noise to a wav,you could boost maybe some noise that is already in there by compressing the same wav again.
Digital world 0dbfs is limit ,any over the limit is merciless ,by analog you can go up to +4 or even +6 dbu for a warm saturation and all is still clean.
Compressors are great but I also like when a file works without any dynamic help.
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 14:27
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Compressor > Good eq > Right volume .
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 16:30
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daark
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Posted : Dec 26, 2010 19:30
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you all confused everything now i set things straight
1) i know colin what is gain ridin 1 that is why i mentioned it. yes i make volume automations sometimes although it makes more mess than makes the track better most of times(and i mean gain riding).
2)upavas said there is noise first so he is the one to blame
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if you haven't exported that noise it is not part of the signal the signal to noise ratio stays the same and is not affected by compression but by the level of ur mixer track(let me correct that your main volume knob ) yes i am hard to understand and sometimes i'm getting confused too  some compassion people
5) i love the footroom
6) you are all right and you all win !!! hahaha
now next q
in upward compression the ratio value will be positive or should it be negative?
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 27, 2010 01:36
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On 2010-12-26 19:30, daark wrote:
you are all right and you all win !!!
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Thx ! . R E A L Y ??? .. Thers a prize ?
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 27, 2010 03:35
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 27, 2010 03:49
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He said we all win .
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