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leads ( hi pass)

Saii
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Posted : Aug 10, 2009 23:41:05
i no there is a million threads about this
but i want a straight answer from any one who thinks they are a pro at this

i want to know if i have a rolling bassline lets say with the harmonics of A (440, 220, 110, 55, etc...)
where would i hi pass my leads at so it doesn't interfere with my bassline at all and they both sound separate but at the same time sound together (you know what i mean
cheers
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Zoopy
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 00:28
I know this probably isn't the answer you want to hear but...use your ears

equalization should become an instinct, in my opinion.
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 01:12
maybe not just a highpass - but highpass on lead and lowpass on bassline.
the required settings may vary, depending on the material used and how you combine them.
just try to keep them sitting on each other and don't filter a hole into the freq-band.
ps: spectrum analysis can visualize that           http://www.myspace.com/realtimeproject
Saii
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 01:16
ok cool i understand...train my ears. im in the process
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0hz
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 01:58
the pros, try not to use hipass but low shelf instead, unless the sound has to much sub freq then a hipass is used to roll off only the sub freq and low shelf the rest.
also eqing the low freq is a tricky thing , specially if your studio has a problem with low freq.
Saii
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 02:17
@ 0 HZ
my studio has a lot of problems with low freq.
i move my head 2 inches to the left of the monitors and i have a different sounding bassline
how the hell do i fix that without spendin thousands
let me know
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dj chichke
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 02:40
i'm not pro but i do high pass at 200-250hz to the lead. the bassline doesn't suppose to reach that frequencies
Larrikin
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 09:24
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On 2009-08-11 02:40, dj chichke wrote:
i'm not pro but i do high pass at 200-250hz to the lead. the bassline doesn't suppose to reach that frequencies



200-250hz is a bit high in my opinion
cutting bellow 140 is plenty , allot of the punch in a lead is around 180-200hz....

also your bass does reach past those frequencies , try low passing your bass at 250hz , wont sound that nice .. unless your really after that sub only sound           www.harmlessprankster.bandcamp.com
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frambonas
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 11:25
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On 2009-08-11 01:58, 0hz wrote:
the pros, try not to use hipass but low shelf instead, unless the sound has to much sub freq then a hipass is used to roll off only the sub freq and low shelf the rest.
also eqing the low freq is a tricky thing , specially if your studio has a problem with low freq.



You should really high pass and not shelf if it is for synths. the frequency range is so big with synths you have to cut.
But always try as much as possible low.
Put your hp filter as low as possible (between 100 untill 250)
It depends from sound to sound offcourse.

The shelf is something that is a lot used with recordings.
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 12:55
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On 2009-08-11 11:25, frambonas wrote:
It depends from sound to sound offcourse.

auto mate filter cut off ...
so you can open/close the lead's filter according to the rest.          http://www.myspace.com/realtimeproject
0hz
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Posted : Aug 11, 2009 23:41
well whatever you do, LP or Shelf , if your room has a problem with the low freq it would be hard for you to make a correct decision regarding how much you should cut, it will always be more of a guess... sure you can become really good at guessing by referencing pro tracks and learning to work with spectrum analyzers with combination of HQ studio headphones...but still the whole process wont be effortless and always leave you guessing. in the end anyone who's really serious about becoming a pro ends up treating the room and upgrading to good monitors. what im trying to say is if your room is bad then no one can tell you how much and when to cut low freq....its all on you to learn your room and speakers by referencing pro tracks and comparing to your own, but there is a trick in that too. i would suggest to borrow a measurement mic and check out your freq response, you might learn alot about your room and your mixes.
Saii
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Posted : Aug 12, 2009 02:19
0HZ
is there a website that tells me step by step istructions on how to eliminate the frequency problems in my room
i need to know how to know what is wrong exactly and how to fix that specific frequency band. all im sure about is that bass treatment is not the same for mid treatment and not the same also for highs treatment
please refer me in the right direction. anyone?
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 12, 2009 10:53
the dilema: too high will be thin like anorectic model , and not doing this will make very dirty mix and might eliminate the bassline while mastering.

my view:

all according to the sample , as usual..

some leads i wouldnt dream to cut anywhere higher then 150hz and some easy over 250hz..

depend on the source... as well what you try to make out of it.. baisibly start at 70hz and climb up until the sound lose something important and going back abit and thats it... ears only.. but i have acoustic room (sort of) and nice speakers.. the acoustics is really not too expensive for the $ Q...

p/s some nice notch down for the bass can really five more space to the leads etc. try it out..
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Aug 12, 2009 14:43
Yes, it depends on the source.
For example, lead with HP or BP filter, the only dance in high freqs, it can be easily cut at 500Hz, and no one will hear the difference

for me in 99% of cases bass finishes on the freqs on which I wishes to (on softsynths):
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ImKPmGD2U5hBzcVlL-9LGQ?feat=directlink

but many times I add HP on 32Hz for change character of asound:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1R4FAKvkcCcPu_7b5dZNPw?feat=directlink

On 32Hz HP bass is full. Sounds great on HiFi, Car audio, clubs and open air partys.
I heard many tracks with bass cutted at 50 or 60Hz and it sounds sucks. Like bass taked from toy synth. I cant understand how people can like that.           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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Saii
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 05:36
thanks alienbug
that was helpful
it kind of open my eyes a bit
im guessing the cut at 32 hz is a sharp cut down using 24 db or even 48 db right?
thanks man!
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