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Saii
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Posted : May 26, 2009 15:52:37
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hey guys,
im havin a problem with my leads..they are too quiet compared to my bassline?
my question is...how do i make the bassline and the leads linear on a visualizer.(i hope you know what i mean 
my basslines are fat and solid but when i play them in the car the bassline overpowers the leads so the leads are very low sounding and dont have the same punch as my basslines....
how do i insure that my basslines and my sequences have equal power so everything is linear and fat at the same time....do i use a limiter on my plucky sequences? if so how?
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gutter
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:02
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boost them more??
maybe less hipassing and a use of gentle low shelving where the bass meat is might bring them more in front. i hope youre talking about frequencies that not collapse with the bass , if they are mid/highs should not be a problem.
Did you try some kind of warmer/distortion too? might help
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jizy
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:21
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where are your leads placed around the spectrum?
Look up Mide/Side processing technique.
put your track on stereo channel prefader on two aux sends one L one R
Use S1 matrix
now you can compress all the stereo information in the mix or bring down the level of all mono information without effecting either side.
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Saii
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:22
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thanks gutter
basically what im asking is how do i make sure the lead sequences are "linear" in regards to my bassline?
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jizy
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:25
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but you said your leads are quiter than your bassline, what u mean linea... turn down the bass then lol
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makus
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:26
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don't overuse boosting the bass freq on equalizer. keep in mind that your bass, as well as the kick, should sound 'bassy' without boosting their low end. in my experience boosting it more then 1-2 dB often makes low end sound moody. in 90% of my occasions i didn't boost any frequensy on my bass at all, only cutting some.
in general, make bassline quiter?! how much quiter? try 1 db, then 2, if needed try even 3! don't forget to listen to the result. also throw visualizer into the window - use ears
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Saii
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:30
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guys im not boosting any bass frequencies and jizy can u elaborate on what u said about the m/s stuff maybe thats it...everything is too mono....maybe i need to swing stuff the side
whats your procedure, lets say after you made a sick sequence using midi and a vst synth, added chorus a bit to make it stereoey more then what?
thansk guys
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gutter
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:38
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i dont understand too what mean by linear,
can be constant velocity, constant volume OR linear in the way you looking their spectrum on the analyzer??
If its the third, my advice is close that damn plug and really use your ears instead of watching, really, ive done the same mistake, work without analyzer imho.. If everything looks flat, it will be a disaster (its not mastered anyway -- better more than less )
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Saii
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:43
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yea i dont really use the visulaizer i just wanted my leads to sound as plucky as my rolling bassline notes i want everything to have the same pluckiness like in progresive trance tracks like vibrasphere as one example the bassline i want to have very hard transients which i did already and then my leads to be just as plucky
hope u get it
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gutter
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:52
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yeap its called sound design..
you build every sound from scratch to fit the other, in this case you might need to change the filter of your synth, or the amplitude envelope to be more constant, generally tweak whats needed, if you get confused by many sounds thats playing,, solo the kick-bass and that lead and tweak it accordingly (so you can listen and bound it easier to your bass) 
hope it helps
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nukleall
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Posted : May 26, 2009 16:52
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I think you need to equalize better your material...
i think that your problem is to make fit together the bass with your leads...
the only way is to eq them in the properly way.
An other things can be the volume of the bass.
If you have small monitor, you can't hear the low frequency... so usually you put more...
i had the same problem when i started to produce, because i put to much volume on bass and i never cut the sub-low frequency(around 30 Hz). this is because i was not able to feel the bass like in the big sound-system.
i hope this rules can be useful for your next production
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Saii
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Posted : May 26, 2009 17:23
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its not bass i got adam a7s in a decent sized room but thanks for your quick hlep guys i think i just need to practice more on the synthesis of leads!
peace
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 26, 2009 17:31
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if your leads have too much bass it colide with Bass-line instrument. fix with EQ.
also, I always compare my music on different speakers eg. headphones, car, hi-fi, my buddies system. helps 2 get an idea of balance. and i know what good music sounds like through my speakers so i know what is wrong with my music. -like not enough "pluckiness".
or slight compression with proper attack & release settings can bring out "pluckiness"
depends what u mean with plucky?
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jizy
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Posted : May 26, 2009 18:07
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Use the S1Matrix on your channel with your track on it. then set the routings to prefader and send to two seperate aux's one left (this will be all Mid Information (mono))
and the other channel Right-which will be the side (all Stereo information)
now you have control over mono Info on one channel and stereo on the other. do what u want to make it sound better!!!!!!
then use the matrix again on another channel to convert it Back To L&R
or simply read this post
http://forum.isratrance.com/can-anyone-explain-how-to-use-m-s-decoders-properly/
i love this way of processing now, i do it all the time now, its a great way to transform your samples too, so many possablities mate.
try it, this may help you to create the space you need
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nonameguy
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Posted : May 26, 2009 20:41
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better to cut freq rather than boosting.. try to do some processing on leads. pan L R Use diffrent octave , low cut, different placement on track.. just some ideas.. hope this helps.. |
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