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Layering???

Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 13:30
Is this a feature where you can put two or more sounds on top of each other and play it at the same time?

Can someone please explain this to me in some simple words?
How it works? (Oh, i use FL Studio, so if you could please explain in that context you would be a life Saver!! If not no worries, but Please still try and help me out.)
Also, how advantageous is it? I mean what are the possibilities can be reached with layers?

I hope this has not been discussed before. tried using the search but the search is not working for me now. Moderators...Wass up??

Anyway, i hope someone will help me.

Thank you all for your time and Help.

Bharath.
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s0ft
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 14:53
some VSTi's and hardware synths have a row of buttons with letters or numbers on them. each button is another layer. you can change each layers sound without changing another layer.

example:
Layer A has a saw wave form
you add Layer B, it has a rounded wave form.

of course it can be more complicated than that, but its the basic idea.

using layers is a great way to get original sounds or just "larger" sounds. of course, EQing is usually a bitch afterwards.
Kaz
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 15:04
EQ, EQ, EQ and more EQ.

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=15037&forum=2&23

check out this thread and the links inside it.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 15:27
Hey Thanks guys! That was really helpful. Have not read the link you sent me Kaz but will do so when i go home. Thanks Mate!

Couple more things please....

So is Layering used only to layer sounds coming from the SAME VSTi? Please can you give me more examples like Softs? Thank You!

Also, Please.....How would i distinguish the two sounds on an EQ?
I mean, can i look at the EQ and Say those frquencies are Layer A and Those are layer B? Or do i have to use my ears alone? Is there something i could use that has this function?

Again, Thanks for your help guys and Sorry about so monay questions.
Oh, Also ,i'm a beginner, so please don't Blast me if you think these are really stupid questions.

Thank You.



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sonik_akb


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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 17:10
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On 2005-02-04 13:30, Bharath wrote:
Is this a feature where you can put two or more sounds on top of each other and play it at the same time?


Yes, basically it's that! For example, it's very common to put 3 kicks together: the first can have a lot of bottom end after the click (or more specifically, transient), e.g. TR808, and the other two can be TR909's modified kicks by previous EQ (one for middle freq and another for high freq) and compressed. So, you play them togheter and compress again (and EQ too, if you want it). The kick made through this procedure is very solid. I got impressive kicks for my tracks using this way(hey, I don't produce psy tracks, though).
There are people to layer eletronic kicks with acoustic ones!
Another interesting thing to layer is pads, one from analog synth and another from a ROMpler or anything else.

alex keller.
ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 17:32
I think u are talking about "Resynthesis". Basicly it´s like u load two samples and each one working as an "Oscillator".

For this look out for synth called "Neuron".

Some v-synths has sounds, and u can mix them, like Atmosphere.

But if the problem is only having two samples at same "freq range and space", a good Eq and some fx´s will do the job!           LOADING...
sonik_akb


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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 17:40
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On 2005-02-04 17:32, SMS wrote:
I think u are talking about "Resynthesis". Basicly it´s like u load two samples and each one working as an "Oscillator".


Resynthesis is another thing, Waldorf Wave has this feature. I guess Ensoniq ASR10 has it as well. Layering sounds means to play two or more sounds together. That's all about it.
fregle
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 18:14
I use layering mainly to get stereo-wideness, in that case u layer the same sound on itself, only u pan one to the right and the other to the left, sometimes even one in the middle. Layering the same sound on itself can also enhance it's power. But to make things more transient or boomy or anthing like that, i prefer using dynamics and reverb.... U can change a sound so much by doing that that most of the time it's unnecessary to layer different sounds to achieve an effect. It's also harder to work with. And indeed, to layer pads and the like, wavetable synths are ideal, cus u can load the whole wave as an oscillator and like that u can treat it as an oscillator in a synth, making the whole sound (with the different waveforms) very homogenous, which it wouldn't if u would layer pads and the like in your audio sequencer
ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 20:46
Well, as far as I know, Resynthesis on Neuron works like this:

Neuron analyzes the sample, and make a "copy" sample(not only the sound). So u can use these new samples on the "Resinator" wich is a type of Oscilator(sound generator). Neuron has 2 Resinators.

And tell me more about what Waldorf Wave can do...           LOADING...
sonik_akb


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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 21:59
SMS, I think you are right about Neuron (I don't know this synth, though). But the question was about layering, what's very obvious.
sonik_akb


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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 22:03
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On 2005-02-04 20:46, SMS wrote:
And tell me more about what Waldorf Wave can do...



See this thread (go to the SOS's article about Waldorf Wave):
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/55217/forum/2
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