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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 19:10:41
just a little trick to get a better idea of layering... if you have a mono button, use it at any layered lead.
you will notice that in alot cases one layer magically disapears. well i noticed it first at some of my own leads and wondered about others... well and you will note that this disapearing lead is a very important part for a FAT LEAD, even if its not a dominant thingy.
note that keeping one sound middle and spreading the others more is a thing what works for me... im sure there is alot more.
its like the concept with keeping the kick/bass mono... its good to have a solid thing in certain leads too.
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Posted : Nov 10, 2011 20:08
Hmm could this be because of phasing issues when converting to mono, or because the mono button just cuts out everything that is not dead center (that's dumb )?
Finding out why, we could automate it Have a multi-layered lead with morphing layers between each other.. We could do this with automating the mix between the layers, but nevertheless new ways to do stuff can have great results.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2011 08:46
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On 2011-11-10 20:08, knocz wrote:
Have a multi-layered lead with morphing layers between each other.. We could do this with automating the mix between the layer
Hi,
what do you mean with morphing layer? An extra sound which transitions between 2 other? And what do you mean with automation? SpaceAlpha - http://soundcloud.com/galaxy-studio
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Posted : Nov 11, 2011 16:25
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On 2011-11-11 08:46, Galaxy Machine wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean with morphing layer? An extra sound which transitions between 2 other? And what do you mean with automation?
Well, for me a morphing sound is a sound that morphs (or transforms into) another sound, some VST's allow you to select two or more patches and then with a know you "mix" between them (like FL Toxic Biohazard, for example). Although there are many different algorithms to do this morph this, I think this mono think could be an innovative way do do that!
hmm automation is your biggest friend! It's basically the act of having the computer automatically change parameters inside your DAW. For example, you have a killer lead for a couple of bars, and you record yourself tweaking the filter freq and resonance (if you haven't tried this out, you're out for a surprise), but not as an audio file, as an overdub on top of your lead. Then you play it back, you'll see the filter frequency moving just like you moved it (on the screen) -> that is an automation. It can be your best friend, recording yourself tweaking over and over again over time or drawing the automation line with a mouse, and it can be your worst enemy, having too much going on in a track that something happens and you don't where it came from.
In this case, to automate it was to be able to morph between the layers, using this mono trick, manually (like turning a knob and having the sound morph between 5 completely different layers )
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Posted : Nov 11, 2011 16:36
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Posted : Nov 11, 2011 17:33
if the sound disapear it mean one side of the 2 chanels is phase inverted resulting in silence in mono , in a mid/side matrix it equal to muting the mid (middle is the same as converting a stereo signal into mono)
M = L+R
S = L-R
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Posted : Nov 12, 2011 17:35
This is the Side signal that goes away.
It is antiphase but its intentionaly there. Its not a mistake in layering leads. It's mid/side processing http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers Wierd shit happens :)
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Posted : Nov 12, 2011 19:29
uff, who said its a mistake and i didnt say a thing about mid/side processing... all i said is that it nearly disapears when switching to mono... what i know about antiphase, is that its canceling out when listening in mono, and thers alot antiphase in this lead.
i see i didnt finish reading your sentence.
you said "...and is on stereo...".
i dont know whats happening about a basic stereosignal without antiphase, but i think it def. should be hearable in mono.www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
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Posted : Nov 12, 2011 21:02
When i finish a track and i make the mix i open pazanalyzer (waves) and if i see that a sound is a bit in the antiphase area i shrink its stereo till it isn't in antiphase anymore. Many leads and almost all the pads are little bit antiphase. and don't worry about the stereo width of your all track because the mastering engineer will widen your stereo width of the track.
In cubase if i want to shrink the stereo of a track without using plugs i open the channel, and above the fader at the place that you choose where the sound will be at your mix, you click on the right button of your mouse and choose "stereo dual panner", than you take each side little bit to center till you see the analyzer that the sound is not in antiphase anymore.
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Posted : Nov 13, 2011 06:35
orgy - exactly dude . The side signal is completly antiphased on mono. It does not matter which sound you put there. Check it out. Try out ozones mid/side.
chichke - i tried out this technique i've seen on andi vax tutvideo.
maybe i don't understand something but i stopped doing it sense i noticed it just kills the power of the track. I started to use it more musicaly. Some parts would be mono like the beat
and other parts need to open up with those wide stereo parts. Mostly pads and leads. Which contain tons of antiphase which is part of the sound and should be there for example phaser or flanger or just chorus or it could be even part of the additive synthesis of the waves. And there is no wrong using antiphase where it should be used. Basicaly if you hear the sound its good if you don't or it gets really wierd or weak or just gone its bad on your stereo mix. End point is antiphase can and mostly IS a part of your sound. If there is unwanted antiphase check your source and dont narrow it with a plug unless thats the way you want it musicaly.
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers Wierd shit happens :)
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Have a multi-layered lead with morphing layers between each other.. We could do this with automating the mix between the layers, but nevertheless new ways to do stuff can have great results.
