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lack of information from the zoom organizers
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zafer
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 16:43
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went this week-end at the zoom, and had some strange (not to say bad)experiences:
1: _1.5 liter bottle of water 7 euro
_The only source of free water was almost hidden, people wasn't informed about the location of it, and damn't it tasted like fuel contaminated.
(one of the conditions of eve&rave to take part in a party is :free water)
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2: _ www.zoom-party.ch go there and check by yourself: <<Saturday 13. Aug. 2005 | 20:00 till open end / one night>>
to me open end one night means going on at least till 18 in the afternoon whit the sound,surely not stopping music at 14 o'clock: they had permission only till 14 o'clock from police: this means organizers knew since long time they had to finish at 14 o'clock, why they sell their party as an open-end?
on the SBB fliers the party was indicated as a 2 days party!!!!
(the rain that came in the morning had left on the floor only people who were having tons of fun (200 maybe), i was very sad to see it all end this way)
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3: sunday 15 hours: security comes in the chill out tent in a very agressive and respectless way telling everybody has to leave right now, screaming and menacing people who was resting and sleeping peacefully: it was raining, everybody thought it was open end, so what the fuck!!
was it too hard to say before things as they were, was it too hard to come a 1/2 hour before and say : <<people in 1/2 hour you have to leave sorry>>, instead of what they have done.
security was telling: we want to go home so leave right now: it all seemed to me like a very very bad organized thing or worst: the organizers wanted security to act like that : but why ?
and....monday at 13 0'clock the chill-out and all the other tents were still there, so why did they throw us out?
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4:_police controls: was with my girlfriend in the forest in face of the entry : suddenly a man with nightsight viewer points light in our faces; tells <<what you do here? did you take drugs?no...? can you swear it? so if i take you to the police headquarters and make blood tests you're clean?>> we were sitting and doing nothing illegal or acting like thet!! he said we had to leave the place and go somewhere else!!
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i sent a copy of this post to zoom organizers and hope thay will explain me things coz i don't pretend knowing all from my point of view, but sure they have to explain some things to many disappointed people
was also disappointed of the lack of responsability of the party people: tons and tons of thrash on the ground after the party:
thet's for sure not the best way to have organizers and authorities satisfied, but biz calls such situations and really don't know if i'll go zoom next year.
40.-CHF presale :i told my self <<yeah for zoom it's almost worth(30.- i find fair), and the plus i give it as gift to the organizers for their efforts>> : i was wrong maybe.....
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biberFreund
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 17:16
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The thing with the rubbish was really bad... it looked like a dump in the morning.  I wonder why they didn't put up more rubbish bags... |
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Stregone
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:21
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I think the problem is not really a problem, is just zoom is not another goa party....
zoom is called the psychaedelic tribal gathering after the streetparade, I've always seen zoom as a big rave party with psychedelic music....and because is after the street there full of people, wich the most part has taken huge amount of alchool or drugs that doesn't respect the feelings and the attitude of the most freaks who usually go to goa partys....
Anyway for the water and the security is just not correct.... |
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tHuJoN
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:42
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Yess Zoom is Zoom ...
I had agreat time there ...
But why u just mention the bad points ??
U had no good experiences there ?
the Decoration was great ... and the Stage was huuge ... I've seen some good Acts and Dj's ... but sound is anyway a matter of taste 
I've seen some nice ppl who i haven't meet for years ... For sure there were not just Trance Ppl ...but i haven't expected something else ...
The Soundsystem have could be a bit louder imo ...
And yeaah with the securities i had also a bad expirience ... Some have been realy cool ...somehave just been Idiots ...
Btw : the Organizer had a lot to deal with Gouverment ... so he could do at least just a one day Party ... till 14.00 ...
to writhe openair on the flyer was not sutch a good thing ... becauseisaw there where still enought ppl on the dancefloor when the SOund stoped ...
But i have to say it's nice from the Organiser to do such an event every year again ...even with a lot of stressfull situations what they have everytime ...
like Zoom 2002 where the Stage sinked in the swamp ... and the Party got cancelled ...
C you on Zoom 2006 hopefully ...
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Stregone
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 22:12
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I wanted to add that this year I was working and I haven't been there, but every time I went there I had really good time....
As thujon say, a lot of people you can see just at zoom all together, a really big event not so easy to manage and anyway everytime there is at least some really good music....
For the deco I think is toomuch stage oriented with not enough deco on the dancefloor but is really hard to put deco on the dance floor with all those people  |
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zafer
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 22:56
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this isn't a report, i just want to understand moore about some strange things mostly due to what i think beeing lack of information: there will be loads of people telling this & that, good & bad 'bout zoom : but it's not what i want whit this post.
my aim is to be enlightened about the listed points from anyone who can do it
i also agree about the positive points you mentioned thujon and if i do this post is because i look for answers, not to blame anyone: obvious you have problems organizing such a party and it's not a shame.
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Slimseth
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Posted : Aug 22, 2005 14:55
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Yeeepa Get the flow readdy... "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive music!"
Kristian Wilson - former CEO Nintendo Corp. |
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Slimseth
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Posted : Aug 22, 2005 14:55
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Hello Freaks, just wanted to give my opinion also on the 2005 edition of the Zoom gathering...
Yes Zoom is Zoom, it is after the streetparade and is not an average Goa gathering... But this year was the first time I saw this kind of attitude, and it makes me say Zoom isn't anymore what it used to be :-(
Lets take the points one by one:
- The party was only 1 night, fair enough, but for 50 frs??? And we get kicked out at 2pm!!! This is not the way our global tribes should behave and I totally understand Zafer's anger. You do not advertise a gig to be open end if you know you must stop a 2pm, it is just not honest and that is all.
- The stage was very cool..at night... but with daytime we could see it was not very well displayed (who where those jackasses dancing like in a house party on the left part of the stage anyway?)
- The sound was dramatic, I had never seen such a catastrophic soud system in such a big gig, and according to some of the artists that played there and that I could talk to it was not only my own perception...
- The deco was nice, but one could see that all the deco planed could not be displayed and it is true there was not that much deco on the dancefloor.
- The croud was not that much of a world tribe... but more streetparade oriented :-(
And the shit on the floor was totally not world tribe style... This might be also because these people that payed 50frs for 1 night tought that with all this monney the organizers could afford the cleaning up :-(
And I also think there were not enough dust bins displayed.
- The prices at the bar were high, as high as in any house/club party. The water issue was the most tragic, and totally not world tribe oriented...
- There were no shows appart from the fireshow...
Now for the good points:
- The fireshows were really cool (like last year thow...) they did a great effect at night time.
- The lightshow and lazershow were also of very good quality.
-(some of)The people were cool to meet and talk to.
- Well I guess this is it for the good points... :-(
To conclude let me say that I was very sorry with the level of organisation, set-up, line-up and all the rest. Zoom was my first big goa gig a couple of years ago, and since then I haven't missed a single edition of the gathering.
This year was the first time the "festival" had to fit into the legal formating of post-streetparade parties.
I found this party very commercial, with no soul anymore and, even worst, of very average quality.
It is very sad because I have been told that HPP were among the best global organizers and I did not see anything of all this at this gig.
Zoom WAS Zoom, and its time is done... at least for me. I will not be going to the next one (if any) and I think I will not be the only one to do so...
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive music!"
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 22, 2005 19:11
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well, i think i could see this happen. after the last years zoom i decided to never go there again...what Slimseth described above is the logic continuation of last years "gathering".
anyway, all the best to HPP. i really hope they wont kick them out from winterthur too (there are rumours in the city that there wont be any other zoom in winterthur anymore in the future). it's a cool city actually! good luck with the search, i guess..
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phish
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Posted : Sep 9, 2005 01:16
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hI guyZ and galZ
on goa.ch I posted a topic quite similar to slim's and one guy had a cool comment...
(translated quote)
I saw "Amelie Poulain de Montmartre" (at least I think this is the translation of "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain) and I was so disappointed! What a bad action movie!
(translated unquote)
anyway thanx Juerg for keeping the motivation up
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zafer
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 21:37
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yeah i also think like your misterious comment maker: such a sad thing when a commedy is sold with action written on it's label!!!!!! that's the worst!!!!
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zafer
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Posted : Jun 8, 2006 14:46
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you don't think you are not going to explain this, coz you are going to have to
It's sad that you don't feel you have some obligations of respect towards the public, i guesss money you respect much better than people
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