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Kane
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 15:40
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On 2008-10-30 04:13, goa-ganges wrote:
AC/DC new album reached #1 in 25 countries, sold more than 800.000 in US alone.
Thatīs metal. And why they sell so much? I guess itīs good. Me, after years away from rock I am returning to it.
Now seriously, I would never pay a psy artist new album in advance. Why? simply because all my favorite artists just get worse and worse as time goes by. I was a huge fan of X-Dream, The Delta, Astral Projection and all the gods of trance. But I just canīt bring myself to listen - let alone buy - their last releases.
To my dismay this week I came to listen Chakraīs last album. My godness! I just canīt believe that that piece of cheese is from one of the best psy producers ever! Fluffy, pop, poor!
No wonder psy canīt sell. Who wants to buy bad music?
If you want to sell, and get paid, write good music.
Thatīs the recipe.
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And you don't think AC/DC has done the same thing? They've been playing the same songs for 30 years.
All artists need to grow at some point, for better or for worse. If they don't change their style and expand their tastes, they end up doing the same thing for years and they're criticized for that.
If you don't like the more recent releases, it doesn't make their older tunes bad.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 16:22
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AC/DC new album reached #1 in 25 countries, sold more than 800.000 in US alone.
Thatīs metal. And why they sell so much? I guess itīs good. Me, after years away from rock I am returning to it.
Now seriously, I would never pay a psy artist new album in advance. Why? simply because all my favorite artists just get worse and worse as time goes by. I was a huge fan of X-Dream, The Delta, Astral Projection and all the gods of trance. But I just canīt bring myself to listen - let alone buy - their last releases.
To my dismay this week I came to listen Chakraīs last album. My godness! I just canīt believe that that piece of cheese is from one of the best psy producers ever! Fluffy, pop, poor!
No wonder psy canīt sell. Who wants to buy bad music?
If you want to sell, and get paid, write good music.
Thatīs the recipe.
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| And you don't think AC/DC has done the same thing? They've been playing the same songs for 30 years.
All artists need to grow at some point, for better or for worse. If they don't change their style and expand their tastes, they end up doing the same thing for years and they're criticized for that.
If you don't like the more recent releases, it doesn't make their older tunes bad. |
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Sorry Kane, but your analysis is wrong:
1. AC/DC may be doing the same thing for 30 years. And thatīs good, cause theyīve been repeating the best of what they have. Not the same with the artists I mentioned above. I REALLY wish X-Dream were repeating Irritant or Radio today. And erase We Interface from our ears.
2. If artists decide to grow musically, then grow with quality. Not what exactly Chakra has done with his last album. This cheesy stuff is a shame to his creative years with Edi Mis.
3. I didnīt say their old tracks arenīt good. Quite to que contrary. Itīs the very measure you can compare what they are doing today.
By the way, ĻRockīn Roll TrainĻ is AC/DC best in years. Energetic, you see crowds really having a good time. Who wants change, when your team is winning?
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 20:12
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I feel the same way about a lot of the artists that you've mentioned, but I would rather let them move on, even if I don't like their new tracks at all, than listen to the same exact style for the next 10 years. I don't need another Scizoeffective..it already exists. If you would prefer the opposite, then that's fine, I just think it's kind of unfair to criticize artists because they don't want to make the exact same kind of music for the rest of their lives.
IMO, it's very monotonous for the team to win every single time. I would rather lose occasionally and get over it. 
You believe in the users?
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 10:10
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So finally we came to the epicenter of this topic:
If you are an artist (trying to be innovative, etc = your tracks suck) and you have this idea that your tracks are not that good, so you have almost zero rights to complain that you didnīt receive any money from the label that did you the favor of releasing your track. Simply because, as I said above, perhaps this CD didnīt sell not even 10 copies. Who will buy bad music?
As for AC/DC, theyīre doing what really matters: old fans are happy, crazy about them. They are attracting a whole new generation of pre-teens to their shows - who, mind you, will be future supporters of rock. AND they are selling great, theyīve reached the million copies mark this week.
Do you still think that itīs a bad formula? and that psy is doing good?
Sorry, but I donīt think so.
This week I bought my AC/DC album and a T-shirt. But, honestly, even after hearing Chakra again and again, I think that buying his CD is a waste of money. And thatīs because I really am a fan of his.
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aXis
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 12:11
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:04
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Red Label
Black Label
Green Label
Gold Label
Blue label
anyone else like Johnny?
When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:11
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You should all be releasing your own material. The job of the psytrance label is very easy. The upfront cost is not incredibly high. The promotion for all psytrance cd's is pretty much pisspoor, so you wouldn't have too difficult a time doing a better job with little effort. Then, ya pop ya trunk and sell that shit at the show like DJ Screw... For the most part, we are talking about 500-1,000 cds sold per release. That should be easy... |
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thegooddale
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:13
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On 2008-11-19 10:10, goa-ganges wrote:
Who will buy bad music?
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Almost everyone... |
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:27
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goa-ganges, I'm either missing your point or you aren't making sense at all.
Since when does something innovative instantly suck?
What is bad music? Music that you don't like?
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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Dacru Records
Dacru Records
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 01:59
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I have no problem with bad labels being named here. The bad apples are ruining it for the people who are trying to make a good job anyways. So as long as it's done with the needed respect, consideration and of course also the needed foundations for what you are claming.
That cd sales are low is no secret. You should plan your budget for a cd before you make the release. And if you make an agreement with an artist then you stick to it or you just don't make it. Nobody is forcing you to start a label. And if you can't keep to these simple basic rules of life, then you have no business trying to run a label and you'd better get out...
Dacru Records
Talamasca, U-Recken, DigiCult, Alternative Control, Ephedrix, Bitkit, Aquila, Tropical Bleyage, Spirit Architect, Chronos, ...
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 06:22
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kane:Quote:
| goa-ganges, I'm either missing your point or you aren't making sense at all.
Since when does something innovative instantly suck?
What is bad music? Music that you don't like?
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Iīm making sense, donīt worry. Iīm not saying that Ļsomething innovative instantly sucksĻ. Iīm talking about psy current status, which as you know, is not that good.
And my point is directly related to this topic: no good music, no money.
As for what is bad music, Iīm not that naive to judge that my taste is better that someone else. What I call bad music, is what is seen as bad music by most people. |
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bbgun
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 20:11
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There are more on the redlist than any other  |
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palex
Palex
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 01:57
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man im dying to put something bad in here 
keep music evil!! |
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RawaR
Rawar
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 21:47
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i think i will do like brothers from baphomet , sick OF MOT***F*CK*NG GUYS FROM BIG SHIT LABELS .
and i can start to say that BLACK MAGIK RECORDS is the first one on my list .
its a shame what the labels are doing to new artits and to old artists and the trance scene in general .
as to the black magick for instance i had my album released there and all i can say is at least send me a legal contract please since that money was never seen for these side of the wall .
a few more will come and who dont agree with this ok thats because you never had to deal with this kind of fakers . the cancer of psytrance .
by the way i will do more , every track that the label dosent acomplish the agreement we had i will post on web for public download in wav format and for free .
FUCK POSERS AND FAKERS
ŧŧŧŧ DEVIANT FORCE ŦŦŦŦ
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 01:50
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Rawar you released your album on a label before signing a contract before?
I mean actually you send all the music in wav form to them without having any legal papers of any form in your hands and without receiving any advance money?
With all the respect maybe the first thing (and probably only thing) that you had in your mind was to release your album out there no matter what happens and now that finally its out and you managed to do what you had in your mind you are asking in public for your money since you got nothing to loose?
Why didnt you asked from those guys that contract and those money before sending them your music?
MAYBE because you were afraid that if you insisted so much then your album would never get released?
There is one thing i most hate than bad labels and this is wannabe artists who are willing to release their "music" under any circumstances and later complain about being fucked up from the "bad labels".
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