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Xolvexs
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Posted : May 19, 2008 16:30:40
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Labels are disappearing across the music industry....music labels have to find new ways to make money in the industry without selling and giving away music for free...its going back to its roots where musicians were supported by rich people, it is becoming an art again...commercializing music is no longer the norm..everyone in the business of music is facing this...a new business model is evolving the problem is even the big labels like EMI, Universal etc dont know how or what it will be....ironically curbing piracy is actually hurting music labels more as there are less ears.
The new phenomenon in music will be like that during the times of Beethoven and Mozart, musical geniuses...not just opportunistic people looking to make a quick buck. Real composers and performers will dominate, the junk will disappear. and clean pure sound will always prevail. Finance guys and market researchers will not understand this...you will have music lovers that will be ready to shell out large chunks of money for a single track/song etc...and keep it in private collection. i guess true musicians should start preparing for this. Focus on their strengths and not on what the market or people demand...well i was going to post this in the kabarathor label shuts down thread but after typing it i saw its under construction...so started another thread
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : May 19, 2008 17:47
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music labels have to find new ways to make money in the industry without selling and giving away music for free...
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Record labels dont need to distribute any music free. You know, rippers do that quite well.
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its going back to its roots where musicians were supported by rich people, it is becoming an art again...
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I fail to understand your point! Do you mean only rich people should listen to music?
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...you will have music lovers that will be ready to shell out large chunks of money for a single track/song etc...and keep it in private collection.
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I dont think good music is meant for someone's private collection. |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : May 19, 2008 18:15
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its not meant for commercialization either...the point is that quality cannot be mass produced...you cannot have 30 tracks using the same bass line or ten albums with subliminal messages...after a point people speak and understand the bullshit thats thrown to them and feel that they should not pay for crap...music is free for enjoyment and charged for possession...but the idea of possession is making musicians...not pleasure...when something is mass produced its no longer pleasure, its a demand...demanding pleasure is plain stupid...poor people dont understand this and rich people do...for poor necessity is the mother of all creation, for the rich its all about pleasure...to maintain the balance the rich start throwing bread crumbs to fill the poor peoples belly...just like pop stars that come dime and dozen...american idols and their like...poor mans musical career is entertainment...this is the reality...u get crappy sounds for free and basically ...Big Warren Buff got it right..."its ass for the mass"
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robomarket
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Posted : May 19, 2008 19:06
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : May 19, 2008 19:34
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...the point is that quality cannot be mass produced...
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True. This applies to every other good product man has produced. Music is just one of them. There cannot be another Zolod, not another Sonkite, not another Ka-Sol, not another 1200 micrograms, not another Astral Projection. We need to choose. Choose the good music from among this massive collage of artists.
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when something is mass produced its no longer pleasure, its a demand...demanding pleasure is plain stupid...poor people dont understand this and rich people do..
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That's economics. Correct to some extent. With the 15 to 20 odd psytrance releases every week, all is not demand. The only justified answer i can make of this is, "Music making has become a lot more easier than it was 30 years back." You get your software, tutorials, samples et al on the Internet. This is no more the ROLAND TR-909 days... Every DJ wants to become an artist and produce music. With so much of free stuff everywhere people tend to lose creativity. That's human nature.
The listeners ears have got nothing to do with being poor or rich. Hippies weren't rich people. Some may be, but not all. Being rich or poor has got nothing to do when it comes to appreciating music. The poor wont die if they stop selling psytrance at $15 a CD. They may just move to another genre.
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...u get crappy sounds for free and basically ...
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False. There is lots of good psytrance distributed free on Creative Commons Licenses. Free music is not always crap music. Dont look at the Promotional Media section on this forum. Search the WWW! It's yours! |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : May 19, 2008 19:58
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folk music the best music...its free, it requires no licensing, its artistic, its beautiful, folk artists are the poorest of the lot..folk music is purely for pleasure...but free things give pleasure only to the rich...poor people dont value free things as much as rich people...they see something of value only if its on tv or radio or internet...thats the difference between buying a Salvador Dali original and re-print....the first cut is what its about...straight on the vinyl...smelted plastic smell...thats what the big bucks are for...not for the gold or platinum plated one
How many of the free distributing artiste make to the vinyl is what the big question is...cd is easy to cut, a vinyl is to a degree much more difficult to make and transport, it is more expensive to preserve...thus more expensive to listen...most of the artist on the internet distrubute their music for free because they need listeners...without listeners...they have nothing, good musicians are confident of their skills and know what their market value is so they command a premium...at the Hard Rock cafe you can buy a Hard Rock t-shirt over the counter easily...try buying John Lennons spectales or Jimmy Hendrix's guitar from them and see how different the experience is
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : May 20, 2008 17:24
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On 2008-05-19 16:30:40, doughcherry wrote:
The new phenomenon in music will be like that during the times of Beethoven and Mozart, musical geniuses...not just opportunistic people looking to make a quick buck. Real composers and performers will dominate, the junk will disappear. and clean pure sound will always prevail.
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Then why do i see the exact opposite? More and more junk is flooding all over the place.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Posted : May 21, 2008 22:10
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I understand his point.
The big problem is for comercial music which objective is to generate some profit, this music has no future. No body will waste money on the promotion needed to make this kind of music succesful.
Since nobody will pay to a producer, songwriter and marketing agency to manufacture music, the ones who willl make music are the ones who love it or have a big interest in doing it.
Then we will face two types of artists, the ones who will make good music and will ahve their followers buying merchandise and going to the gigs.
And then another group who will be very enthusiastic aboung being a performer and will gain some of the market lost from mainstream media. So we will have pop artist with very low budget but after they get some popularity (the general public will always have bad tastes) they will start selling their image. The diference wil be they must gain popularity across the internet and reach a critical mass before they become viable as products.
Then what will arise (maybe) are some headhunters agencys looking ofr the next hit, making poll in myspace and the like.
Any way I think music market will fragment a loooot and will never generate the profit it made some 10 years ago. |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : May 23, 2008 13:36
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The problem is that even if you make the best music in the world and don't have some kind of promotion behind you. You are never gonna get heard.
The majority of people don't search for music, they just sit and wait to be fed; why? because if you start searching it will take you ages before you find something you'll like, cause the market is flooded with crap.
So what do ppl do? they sit and wait until something that is okay comes around and grab it.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : May 23, 2008 14:14
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well it would depend if you are going to mass produce like madonna or come up with something every decade or so....or find people who actually buy your music and make it specially for them, keep it special limited, things djs and electronic musicians used to do, compilations now and then dj plays at a party and people who want it buy it directly signed and autographed, maybe with a picture, straight sale, charge $20 for party add $10 for the cd, charge $30-35 get them to hold the copy in their hand no online sale, maybe they burn, but the signed copy becomes limited edition, gets sold on ebay, make deal with ebay tell them if these are sold on ebay without the permission of the label they will sue them for piracy....and unlawful distribution...create the excitment
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