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laaarge peaks,how to get rid?

PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Jan 24, 2011 18:12:19
Hi fellows.
i came up in the mixing stage with the sound palette i was looking for, i like the timbers i used (semi percussive leads)
i got all other channels working well each others apart from these,they are causing large peaks on master (-1,-2) when the others sit down nicely at -6dBFS
-i don't wanna change the sound source
-single band compressors works too much flattening or too less
-multiband compressors work too sublte and it's impossible to get rid of peaks whit a decent sound
-notching causes a bad phasing-flanger-like sound
-limiter is the worst decapitating peaks but with audibble artefacts
all of the above in series, flat and dull sound with no liveness..
i mean the sounds are nice with theyr actual peaks but when it will comes to the mastering stage that paeks surely cause a problem 'cause they are +-3db above the rest
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knocz
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Posted : Jan 24, 2011 18:36
Try the right combination of eqing and compression (go easier on the compressor so it'll do it's job but remain unnoticeable) and try lowering the overall track volume, leaving you more space to mix with. If you have everything else fitting together, try to fit just that perc sound with the beat, and then do the adjusts you did to the beat to the rest of the tracks..

From the image it looks like theres a specific sound in your perc loop that peaks out, try getting in to the source to figure it out or probably it's an eq problem..           Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
orgytime
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Posted : Jan 24, 2011 19:51
u guess you layered the sample, right?
make sure in the layering stage that samples got different advantages.
for example a snare... this snap sound doubled will give you a high peak. so get 2 samples and eq them... one for the snap an one for the deeper freqs.
and +1 for knocz           www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
PsiloCybian
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Posted : Jan 24, 2011 21:54
i usually slap on a saturator, and max it

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/4218.html

u can ussualy shave of +3db of the peek this way but it still sounds as loud.           www.psilocybian.com / www.facebook.com/psilocybian
antidentity


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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 02:38
you could always splice out the parts that are too loud and put them on a separate channel that is set at a lower level           http://soundcloud.com/antidentity
Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 04:04
hehe this is the classic problem, in this case i would follow PsiloCybians advice, and also try distortion, but first compress the peaks as much without losing that percusive defenition, also eq out what you dont need. then maybe if necessary boost the pluck/percussive area. So its about creating some ilussion here. But still keep the peaks down. It can work but maybe you have to try some different tricks
elastic_plastic
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 11:46
wouldnt sidechaining help?
Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 13:24
Quote:

On 2011-01-31 11:46, elastic_plastic wrote:
wouldnt sidechaining help?



Yeah good idea, well worth a try.
So question is what to side-chain them too.
If they are onbeat or offbeat, thats the question.

I didnt think of that, i dont use side-chain that much myself, i will have this in mind
PoM
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 15:15
if you want transparent i would say limiter is not the worst but the best as it s designed to limit with the less artifacts.
saturators, clippers can work good to and enhance the sound at same time, depends the source... i would say all or many tracks can benefit of a little peak taming like when using a analog desk and driving it a little,can help to create more separation and depth and soften a bit the transients.(there is master of taste, if you like sharp and punchy , or more round sound)

but if it s a problem and you can fix it earlier with the source, with how it s equed ,arranged... might be a better solution .
sideFXed
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 22:39
what about the easiest solution. gain riding?           soundcloud.com/epsylohm
SineFreq


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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 22:58
+1 lol well at least gain automation : )

Riding can be a little tricky at our bpm range...
Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 00:47
haha i once started a project called "Gain riders"
Inspired by that really cool job... I would love to be a gain rider...

elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 14:19
forgot to mention u can also use a limiter....
Kryten
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 15:19
Somehow "gain staging" is coming to my mind... Did you do that in the mix stage?
Maybe the peaks are there because this has not been done.
You need to check and correct the gain throughout the whole signal path....maybe the clipping comes rom too much gain between some effects or stuff...



Cheers,
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 14:50
Guys, thx to all
i cannot going to the source again because i've stuffed the clean sounds with a little "radial" box into a guitar amp borrowed from a friend and 58s the return
probably was the head's EQ i cranked up but i soo liked

The fader it's of course automated, but if i go down more than 3-4-db its's so noticeable so i cannot cut the laarge peaks entirely
I'm actually finding good to stick a singleband compressor with veery light thresold and 10:1 or so ratio.
Both two things togheter are still very very light and it needs a more ride

A little offtopic: tryied to stuffing the clean sound into "guitar amp pro" i cannot reach half the power of the miked track with -6db of gain, of course less peaks but a flatty
sound at normal values, more and more crappy if overdone, i'm not saying logic's plugins are shitty but in that case i had to option for the "old school"

          http://mystic-sound.com/releases/ioon-cosmic-downtempo-9314-oclock/
FREE DOWNLOAD EKTO http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/ioon-the-ioonfinite-loop
https://spiritedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/times-of-peace-2
https://soundcloud.com/opalmoonproj
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