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L3 ultra vs L3 multi for mastering
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cytopia
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 12:46
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I have been trying to improve my mastering skills and have a question i hope someone can answer -->
Q: Do both L3's set at the exact same settings (threshold, out ceiling, release type etc) produce the exact same sound assuming you keep the line flat on the l3 multi?
I assumed it does, but sometimes i am not so sure. Maybe ears playing tricks on me...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 14:49
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Making a multiband would require that you do some filtering to split the signal in to different bands, which will affect the signal somewhat.
I haven't done any A/B testing to see how transparent that is with the L3 MB, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was possible to detect a minute difference.
If you are concerned make a blind test to make sure that your ears won't trick you.
Usually you of course like to minimize the processing involved if you have a pristine signal, so if the mix is excellent as it is and you don't actually need the multiband processing of the L3 MB, then don't use it.
But usually the advantages it brings when it comes to getting a tight master easily outwheighs any artifacts introduced by the filtering process IMO.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 15:18
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well, technically it should be the same ... as thehave different functions on L3 Multi have been bypassed .... |
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:31
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The L3 UltraMaximizer has exactly the same design as the L3 MultiMaximizer. The only difference is that the the parameters for cross-over/attack/release/etc of the different bands are fixed and hidden.
And yes these limiters introduce distortion. Here are some graphs of the distortion introduced by L2, L3 and Elephant2:
http://home.casema.nl/ajohnston/limiting/
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:40
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It runs the algorithms in over sample mode. So lets say your project is at 48Khz, in 2x oversampling it will process the sound internaly at 96Khz. At 4x oversampling it will process the sound at 192Khz.
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 18:12
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No. That isn't part of the functionality of the L3 so it isn't relevant.
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 20:52
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"1Khz sine wave at -3dB in 44.1Khz/24 bit with Waves L2, L3 and Voxengo Elephant2 applied to it."
why is the plot showing a mixture of different frequency components (in <--> axis), rather than a dirac @ only 1khz, because it was supposed to be a pure sine wave at ONE frequency?
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 21:58
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 22:27
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On 2006-01-04 16:31, UnderTow wrote:
The L3 UltraMaximizer has exactly the same design as the L3 MultiMaximizer. The only difference is that the the parameters for cross-over/attack/release/etc of the different bands are fixed and hidden.
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Interesting.
You know if it is the case also with the L2 that is actually is processing in several bands?
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Posted : Jan 5, 2006 11:48
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On 2006-01-04 18:15, nolightatend wrote:
Ah, sure sure. So what was the idea of test then? To show that on higher sample rates distortion level after limiting is lower or direct plugins comparison?
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It is a direct plugin comparison. The oversampling is part of the Elephant2 and not a seperate process.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 5, 2006 11:52
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On 2006-01-04 22:27, Spindrift wrote:
Interesting.
You know if it is the case also with the L2 that is actually is processing in several bands?
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No the L2 is a single wide-band limiter. Hence the cleaner plot.
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