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Kane
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:00
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On 2009-02-12 18:24, ~d2~ wrote:
I try and limit headphone work as it isn't too good for your hearing.
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How?
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:05
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its just been documented so many times. I can't remember the exact specifics, maybe I'll go dig it up. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:22
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:29
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The direct coupling is the main reason. When sound radiates in a room some high frequency is absorbed. You don't get this with headphones. It is the high frequencies that go with age. Again this is well documented.
Listening to headphones at the same level as speakers will actually effectively subject the ears to a higher level of high frequencies. This could accelerate high frequency hearing loss.
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 09:56
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Ok, but isn't that why high end headphones start rolling off slowly around 2khz?
Not trying to argue about it or anything, I'm just curious since I listen to headphones at a moderate level for 6+ hours a day and haven't experienced any hearing loss/ringing.
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 10:07
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On 2009-02-13 20:29, ~d2~ wrote:
Listening to headphones at the same level as speakers will actually effectively subject the ears to a higher level of high frequencies.
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Yeah but does this also apply to nearfield monitors? Cause theyre like huge headphones.. I mean, if ur in the hot spot half meter away, room practically has no effect cause all the high gets to your ear first, than absorbs in carpet, curtains and stuff like that..
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 11:54
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:21
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I am not sure if high end ones do roll off or not. I might have a look as I am also curious.
As for near field monitors. You will still hear plenty of room and the speakers are not even in the same line of fire as headphones would be. The room will still be absorbing things. |
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:34
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A "natural sounding" headphone should have a gentle hump in the bass (about 3 or 4 dB) between 40Hz and 500Hz. This compensates for the fact that headphones don’t give you the physical punch or 'impact' that the sound waves from a room speaker have; so a slight compensation for increased bass response is needed for natural sound. Headphones also need to be rolled-off in the highs to compensate for the drivers being so close to the ear; a gently sloping flat line from 1kHz to about 8-10dB down at 20kHz is about right.
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You can see this in high end models like the HD 650's:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=853
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:35
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that was the one I was going to check  |
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:43
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Interesting They still have a peak around 8500Hz and I looked at the HD600 which has a peak higher up.
If you keep to a sensible level then I would not worry. And if you listen to music on the go in a noisy place then closed back headphones are a good idea.
Avoid iPod earbuds. I suspect that many people here already do. |
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 06:01
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Never used any "in ear" stuff in my life. 
And I put an adjustable filter in my headphone amp to correct that boost.
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:48
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i noticed the last days that you especially dont hear REVERB/DELAY very clean with monitors, but with cheap ipod earphones i do.
maybe my percussions/leads (reverb) are much easier to mix with my new ordered "AKG K142 HD",
hopefully...
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 18:00
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On 2009-02-17 17:48, orgytime wrote:
i noticed the last days that you especially dont hear REVERB/DELAY very clean with monitors, but with cheap ipod earphones i do.
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If you think about it, your room's reverberation pattern and early reflections, get in the way of the stuff that comes out of your monitors. When you are using headphones/in ear buds, you eliminate that problem.
And it also depends on the monitors you are using...the reverb tails in my mixes are much clearer on my Mackie HR824s, than on my Alesis M1 mkII actives.
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 18:08
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Also you need to think about room treatment. Dealing with the first reflections with broadband absorption will allow you to hear more of the reverb you apply, a bit like with headphones. But of course you get the stereo imaging of monitors. |
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