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karmaceuticals
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 20:27
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On 2004-12-08 17:47, UnderTow wrote:
For one it will make your computer more stable, also you can lower the PCI latency and your memory access will be faster. My current projects all run at 70-90% cpu. Any gain in speed is welcome. 
Don't forget that going from CL 2 to Cl2.5 is a 25% increase in memory latency. With all the memory intensive stuff we use (reverb, delays etc), I think this is worth the extra 19 Euro.
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hehe, well, 19Euros are a start to save on the monitors, at least it was meant this way 
while 25% sound huge, the overall impact on performance is minimal, I didnt find a proper audio bench in a rush, but here's another one:
http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040119/index-09.html
(well, Lame is audio, isn't it? lol )
btw. how exactly does it impact the pci latency ? 5ms audio latency instead of 5,2?
and a more stable computer? didnt hear of that before....(buuuut, it's only me)
I feel we are going past the point of helping honguito making a decision.....hehe, who cares
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 02:49
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On 2004-12-08 20:27, karmaceuticals wrote:
hehe, well, 19Euros are a start to save on the monitors, at least it was meant this way
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Hehe. I prefer going for a faster, smoother and more stable PC first.
LAME is CPU intensive but hardly uses any memory at all so the test is irrelevant.
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btw. how exactly does it impact the pci latency ? 5ms audio latency instead of 5,2?
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No it affects how much (audio) bandwidth you have on the PCI bus without other items cutting the audio stream. So it won't decrease your audio latency but it will allow your PC to pump more audio channels to your audio interface and/or any DSP cards that you might have without any clicks or fallouts in the sound.
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and a more stable computer? didnt hear of that before....(buuuut, it's only me)
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CAS 2, 2.5, 3 memory comes from the production line in the same plants. They test the memory after it is made and if it has no errors at CAS 2, it gets that label. If it fails, they test it at CAS 2.5, 3 etc. So the CAS doesn't only tell you how fast the memory is ... Also most software stability issues have to do with instructions arriving too late.
This is mainly a software issue but if your computer is faster and has no bottlnecks (including all the components), it is less likely to have these coding errors cause any problems. And very importantly, the components have to be in equilibrium. There is no point in getting the fastest CPU on the market and coupling it with (relatively) slow memory. This will concentrate the strain on one or a few bottlenecks in the system and things will tend to fail more often.
I can't give you an exact explanation for all the technical details but I have been building my own and other people's computers for 10 years or so and in my personal experience, these things do matter for general stability. I have had friends for whom I gave a shoppinglist for a new computer cut on a few items like this and end up with unstable computers. Usualy changing things like the memory to whatever I specified, solves the problem.
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I feel we are going past the point of helping honguito making a decision.....hehe, who cares
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I don't. I like technical discussions.
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karmaceuticals
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 20:41
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On 2004-12-09 02:49, UnderTow wrote:
LAME is CPU intensive but hardly uses any memory at all so the test is irrelevant.
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you were one click away from this (btw. I know benchmarks dont say that much)
http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040119/images/image030.gif
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No it affects how much (audio) bandwidth... ...any clicks or fallouts in the sound.
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ok, about 2,5% more Power then
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CAS 2, 2.5, 3 memory comes from the production line in the same plants. They test the memory after it is made and if it has no errors at CAS 2, it gets that label. If it fails, they test it at CAS 2.5, 3 etc. So the CAS doesn't only tell you how fast the memory is ... Also most software stability issues have to do with instructions arriving too late.
This is mainly a software issue but if your computer is faster and has no bottlnecks (including all the components), it is less likely to have these coding errors cause any problems. And very importantly, the components have to be in equilibrium. There is no point in getting the fastest CPU on the market and coupling it with (relatively) slow memory. This will concentrate the strain on one or a few bottlenecks in the system and things will tend to fail more often.
I can't give you an exact explanation for all the technical details but I have been building my own and other people's computers for 10 years or so and in my personal experience, these things do matter for general stability. I have had friends for whom I gave a shoppinglist for a new computer cut on a few items like this and end up with unstable computers. Usualy changing things like the memory to whatever I specified, solves the problem.
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well well, same goes for the cpu, so you should always get the fastest available in a series of same models with different speeds?
in conclusion you should also get the best super duper ram made for overclocking to have an absolute stable PC. Mine, stable with "normal" Kingston CL2,5 must be an accident then
is there any website proving your point "a PC with CL3 Ram (from a serious manufacturer) is less stable than with CL2"? Or, do you just assume this? (couldnt resist)
after all, you get the best PC with paying lots of money and I'm just happy with a good PC for a lot less money. I wouldnt buy really new and latest PC stuff anyway, you save a lot of money waiting some time. Aaaah, more money for Monitors
I started that hobby about 10 years ago too
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wouldnt be here if I didnt too
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Honguito
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hehe this thread seems to be a battle between you two! Haha but seriously, thanks for giving your time! At this moment I'm too tired to read what you've written, but I'll do it tomorrow.
May the battle continue, if you have anything more to add  |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 10, 2004 12:47
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karmaceuticals...
there is no saving when it comes to RAM.
you want a fast reliable machine, with overclock capabilities, with 2-2-2-11 settings that run smooth without any problems and errors.
For only that reason I would get a Mobile CPU for desktop which works at low volt rates too.
Honguito,
The larger the stick of RAM, the more unstable it gets. If you thinking about getting 2GB RAM in the future, go with 1GB stick.
But if not, 2x512.
PS: get a Mac instead anyway.
 Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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karmaceuticals
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Posted : Dec 10, 2004 15:43
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On 2004-12-10 12:47, Trip- wrote:
karmaceuticals...
there is no saving when it comes to RAM.
you want a fast reliable machine, with overclock capabilities, with 2-2-2-11 settings that run smooth without any problems and errors.
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hehe, I'm just saying you don't need expensive CL2 Ram made for overclocking just to have a stable PC, my self assembled PC does a good job being stable without it. Anyway, it all looks a bit like personal opinions to me
mine is not to buy no name and get one with a decent CL value if you have enough money, you don't need the best of the best to get a good working pc (see also cpu conclusion, only the fastest rock )
ah, ok, I agree to that point that a PC with CL3 Ram set to CL2 will be less stable than vice versa J/K
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 11, 2004 03:47
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hmmm, so trip- tells me to get 2*512 memories and EYB tells me to get 1*1gb. Can't none ever agree so I can make final conclusions???
The mobo that I'll probaly buy unfortunately doesn't have any dual channel feature. And obviously that means (according to karmaceuticals) that I'd better buy a 1*1gb memory instead. But this means trouble for me:
1) The hyperX isn't availble as a 1*1gb memory which means that:
2) I would have to buy the 2*512Mb hyperX memories, but since my mobo doesn't have any dual channel mode, I wonder if it's worth it.
This mobo is for AMD Athlon 64 processors (because I've read that they are good for musicproduction). Unforunately, there are no socket 754 mobos with dual channel mode. If I want dual channel mode to an amd athlon 64 compatible mobo, then I'll have to go for socket 940 or 939, but that's beyond my budget.
I'm really confused about this. Would you buy 2*512Mb memories if the mobo doesn't supports dual channel mode? |
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Honguito
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 17:27
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okay, I've made my mind up to buy a socket 939 mobo instead with dual channel support. This means I'll be able to buy 2*512mb memories and that's really cool I think Porbably it's gonna be the hyperX thingy. Thanks for helping me out! |
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