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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 11:44
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Conclusions:
1- Yes I am old.
2- The reason: there are too many babies (14 – 16 y-old).
3- If there were more adults then I wasn’t the grandfather of all (despite I am 26 y-old only).
4- There are many babies coz party organizers don’t care for age limit , they care for gaining more & more money.
5- Due to that more kids are using psychedelic stuff and get fucked.
6- Since they don’t have fun in parties (got fucked) we the adults get fucked too.
7- Looks like it’s a universal issue. Not only in israel.
8- I missed yesterday another party that still a live till this moment.
9- I am retired , no more parties , maybe will go to bars only to pickup chix , at least there are no babies. & trance music will listen at my room to pick good memories.
10- Peace 2 all
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 12:04
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On 2009-02-28 11:44, psycho-italiano wrote:
Conclusions:
4- There are many babies coz party organizers don�t care for age limit , they care for gaining more & more money.
5- Due to that more kids are using psychedelic stuff and get fucked.
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Do you remember when you was 16 and wanted to go to parties? You wanted to see what it was all about, the music, the vibe the drugs, everything. Yes you were really young, but you were driven by your curiocity and the thirst to feel alive, to experience the thrills and yes you were less responsible...you didnt have to go to work on monday, so if you wanted you could keep on getting spannered on sunday up to monday if the party lasted that long. How can you "cage" adolescense? its impossible. I would not stop or avoid going to parties when I was 16 if someone older than me, wished I wasnt there...its the same for today's teenagers.
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 13:25
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Times has changed my friend and everything is keeping to change too , but not always for better!
Before 10 years I was 16 and back then it was 1999… in the 90’ there were very huge Trance Festivals in Israel , most of the crowd were adults….
i saw only videos coz I was young and didn’t go coz I knew iam not allowed then I could enjoy other things… my older friends were there and told me that it was supper….
like the Karahana festival for example , watch the movie, no babies there. Pure Karahana psychedelic minds.
Before 6 years even I remember personally better parties (in 2003) than today, very psychedelic with many old Psy minds….
today you can see many chix & babies that come to make fashion show and gossip instead of digging and being one unite as before in parties then they come to internet to post how beautiful they look at the party or how cool there dudes were..….com’on they seek for attention ….
Anyway, I swear , I will make this thing come true: I always wanted to make a party , and I will do it but not soon due to some other invests I do financially ,then I will post the videos and pictures in isratrance to show you and others how party will look.
Even if I will lose money , I don’t care , I will make it for fun at least once in life , I make money from my job in Hitech company ,and not planning to do it from trance parties , I do enough as programmer for living and having fun.
I will make massive selection in the party , no entry without ID card even thou its going to be nature party , I will get authorization so it will not be stopped by police , I already have connection (u can pay those pigs money then your ass is covered) coz I know that kids that will be banned from the party will try to destroy it for me, the one who is less than 21 (before army) will not get in.
Maybe those kids can be patient as I was….
Kids can have other things to enjoy in life.
or maybe party organizers should wake up and start watching who is going to get in the party! Otherwise why the hell they send in SMS: AGE: 24 and above…..com’on…don’t lie to us.
Do what you promise , if you write its for adults then filter the entry.
Sorry if I sound as pig , but iam sick from babies. They are vibes destroyers….and iam sorry that I don’t have a school for teaching kids how to be psychedelic….
No more complains...just was pissed off coz i missed a killer linup due to this yesterday (simply didn't go coz i know its only kids there {{can't mention production name}}).
time for Movies hehe, (other kind of movies - hollywood type , not parties)
Peace 
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 13:58
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nothing wrong with babies during daytime, but its worse with teenagers with puberty problems.. They are in some kind of gray-zone in an otherwise colorful environment 
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Pt.
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 14:01
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^lol
But haven't you noticed, Italian dood in Israel, the music has turned into a more teenager pimple oriented vibe then it is a grown-up music genre. When I was 16/17 and listened to a GOA-Head compilation, I thought it sucked - And a key element imo, the only ones I knew who listened to this stuff where older people, like older brothers of my friends. We, the teenagers didn't necessarily understand it's profane meaning. If the music I had listened to back then where the more full-on oriented music of today I would have liked it much more – I found the music of Doof, Zodiac Youth, MWNN to have some sort of appeal, but nothing that I would love until a much older mature age. Back then when it came to the trance genre (which I didn’t love, I was more into nu-metal), I had some liking to the Tiesto Eurotrance music because it was easier to understand and feel I think. If the psy/goa-trance back then was dark, stranger music with rolling baselines and silly samples, then I would have loved it I think! It is in many ways juvenile this daggadagga mosakk pretending to be Ultra sykodelikk. The psy-scene has expanded to become fat, and the crowd has become younger. The point is the music, like it or not it is pimplier now then back then.
For me classical Infected Mushroom music at a age of 20 and a virgin mushroom trip changed it all.
Not long after I ,,understood” the boring music of MWNN and Doof. That said, I only digged music from Israel for many years before truly enjoying other Psytrance styles. Don't know if that has something to do with it all 
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razzz_
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 14:17
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all this elitist crap for nothing
I think it's good that we also have youth in our scene.
I feel old at some parties too (i'm almost 27), but i don't forget that i once was a pubescent teenager too.
Or is it wrong for people to enter perfectly normal stages of life????
That the music is more teenage oriented ,according to some people, has nothing to do with teenagers.
It's the artists themselves that create that kind of crap!
Besides how old do you think Simon Posford was when he entered the scene 
Or Anoebis from Suntrip Records, he was 16 when he first went to psytrance parties
Timo from Texas Faggott was also in his teens when he first made his music which got released in the trance scene
The youth is our future, so it's better that you treat them with as much respect as you have for an adult psyfreak
just my 2 cents
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 14:24
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On 2009-02-26 17:53, Elad wrote:
"if its too fast you are too old"
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Wrong.
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yes it seems to be the thing these days.
someone suggested to me the other day i should retire to prog because i insisted on sane bpm's. if it were outright combat i could challenge the punks to a fight and try my "slow technique" against the twitchy amphetamine kids. but its not. its music. you know. taste. opinions. messy stuff like that.
many people seem to have this idea about things speeding up...
sounds fucking retarded in my opinion-
straight kicks above 148 but whatever.
darkpsy has become a cartoon of itself- a proxy for hardcore. fullon is just happy hardcore today in a raveless world where every cornerbox gathering of drunken beats is a "party" and you have simply to choose between cindi lauper or megadeath.
you have electro infected cheese-marathons or you have white noise with a barely detectable rhythm section.
boring.
i dont think its the kids. generations upon generations of them always come...
its the not-so-well-thought-out-concepts that start as a joke and get taken seriously (surprise surprise) and extended x 10 by the next generation..
here's to thinking things through carefully before suggesting a bunch of people go that way.
heres to good taste becoming trendy
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 15:55
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On 2009-02-28 12:04, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2009-02-28 11:44, psycho-italiano wrote:
Conclusions:
4- There are many babies coz party organizers don�t care for age limit , they care for gaining more & more money.
5- Due to that more kids are using psychedelic stuff and get fucked.
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Do you remember when you was 16 and wanted to go to parties? You wanted to see what it was all about, the music, the vibe the drugs, everything. Yes you were really young, but you were driven by your curiocity and the thirst to feel alive, to experience the thrills and yes you were less responsible...you didnt have to go to work on monday, so if you wanted you could keep on getting spannered on sunday up to monday if the party lasted that long. How can you "cage" adolescense? its impossible. I would not stop or avoid going to parties when I was 16 if someone older than me, wished I wasnt there...its the same for today's teenagers.
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I'm yet to see a good argument in this thread why our scene should have a different approach to age issues than any other party or clubbing scene has?
You can't go to an 'underground' club and dance to house music when you're 16, and I fail to see how that's harming their scene. There are still lots of kids producing house music despite not being able to go YET.
Sure to some kids it will feel like 'caging' them for a while but its not like they won't ever be able to go so its not that bad really..just like lots of things in society. The argument to protect those that aren't ready for these experiences yet I think weighs in higher, and again..the line has to be drawn somewhere and why not more safe than sorry?
The bs about older psyheads 'guiding' the younger ones amuses me
Sounds good in theory I guess but does it happen? Where's the army of psychedelic academy teachers waiting for the kids when they come to a party? C'mon...
Me and all my friends discovered everything on our own (and together of course) and sure we made a few 'mistakes' along the way and that's part of the experience to me. I wouldn't trade this for anything, and I sure as hell wouldn't want some old geezer 'showing me the ropes'. But I sure am glad I wasn't 15 when some of less pleasant stuff happened...
Whenever one draws a line, such as an age limit, some people will feel marginalized. It always happens, without exception. Much of the noise about 'its tough to be a teenager' I would say comes from the fact that they are generally a very marginalized group. They wanna drink, drive, vote, party whatever, and they can't do any of it despite often feeling that they should be able to because they feel grown up. The other side of the coin is that when faced with hardship teenagers still run to mummy which is why they need to be protected to a degree, and most societies seem to feel that 18 is roughly when most are able to manage on their own... |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 28, 2009 16:12
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Sure to some kids it will feel like 'caging' them for a while but its not like they won't ever be able to go so its not that bad really..
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It is bad, for them anyway. when I was 16 I would eagerly wait for the weekend to go to the forest and party for the weeken. It was THE thing that I would not miss. you're saying its ok, its not like they will not be able to go in the future, but when you are 16 and there's a great party in town, you are not thinking "ah fuck it, in a couple of years"... you're calling up all your mates and trying to figure out how to get there and you don't even worry about how you'll get back home.
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aXis
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 09:34
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as ocelot said
you have electro infected cheese-marathons or you have white noise with a barely detectable rhythm section.
This is the real truth. wats up wit the 1 billion releases and shit covers and no cash and white noise highko presets. Man come on . Give urself some mtv n vh1. cos thats wat u are aiming forand destroying my beautuful genre of music. Fake vague parties wit no psychedelia at all.
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Inner Demon
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On 2009-02-28 15:55, Inner Demon wrote:
Sure to some kids it will feel like 'caging' them for a while but its not like they won't ever be able to go so its not that bad really..
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It is bad, for them anyway. when I was 16 I would eagerly wait for the weekend to go to the forest and party for the weeken. It was THE thing that I would not miss. you're saying its ok, its not like they will not be able to go in the future, but when you are 16 and there's a great party in town, you are not thinking "ah fuck it, in a couple of years"... you're calling up all your mates and trying to figure out how to get there and you don't even worry about how you'll get back home.
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I see your point, I've been 16 too
However, I like to think that the mere statement and symbolism in them knowing that they're not supposed to be there makes them act more humble and more responsibly...
IMHO the ones that spread bad vibes lack respect for the party and the crowd, but when there is a age limit, it brings about a need to behave (or at least not draw negative attention to yourself) if you're not really allowed to be there. I too realize they will turn up anyway, that's just how the world and teenagers work
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mubali
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What is a vibe destroyer is all the "elders" that don't want to share something special with others. For sure some of the newcomers might not have the same spirit as the person who's been doing it since 93, but at the same time are the rules of the Temporary Autonomous Zone a gift from the devine once you reach a suitable age? How do you learn how to behave in a situation where you have freedom? These things are taught by those that are older and more experienced. It's just as important to educate the newer people on how things work, and to be perfectly honest the whole wait till you're older thing might just drive away a lot of people that might benefit from the energy that this scene provides. The key is as a person, to notice your surroundings and treat everyone like family. Don't be so caught up in yourself that you refuse to help someone out.
I've been to events where there were some younger individuals there, looking to understand what's going on and occasionally making mistakes. Some of the elder members in the community made it a point to speak to some of these people and at least attempt to show them a better way. I think that if people were able to embrace some of the ideals that this scene has, especially about community at an earlier age, it would really assist them in their journey through life. There are dumbasses no matter what age you are, and age does not equal maturity. On the same hand, I've been to a lot of Raves where there wasn't the sense of community and it's a basic free for all and people of a certain age range were there...
There are some events here in the US where even younger people are present, and it creates a family and community vibe that kinda downplays some of the hedonistic aspects of what is seen in this scene. The fact that parents can have an environment to bring their children to a safe event where the child can experience some of the nurturing elements of the community is really awesome to see. Very close to the hippie gatherings of long past and present.
To imply that these gatherings are strictly for adults is to also imply that the values that these gatherings teach aren't important. And we also lead by example, go to a party and have some non-altered fun, show others that these gatherings are more than a place to chemically alter yourself, it's a place to connect with a greater community than what you perceive...
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Ellon
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 23:59
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On 2009-03-01 23:24, mubali wrote:
What is a vibe destroyer is all the "elders" that don't want to share something special with others. For sure some of the newcomers might not have the same spirit as the person who's been doing it since 93, but at the same time are the rules of the Temporary Autonomous Zone a gift from the devine once you reach a suitable age? How do you learn how to behave in a situation where you have freedom? These things are taught by those that are older and more experienced. It's just as important to educate the newer people on how things work, and to be perfectly honest the whole wait till you're older thing might just drive away a lot of people that might benefit from the energy that this scene provides. The key is as a person, to notice your surroundings and treat everyone like family. Don't be so caught up in yourself that you refuse to help someone out.
I've been to events where there were some younger individuals there, looking to understand what's going on and occasionally making mistakes. Some of the elder members in the community made it a point to speak to some of these people and at least attempt to show them a better way. I think that if people were able to embrace some of the ideals that this scene has, especially about community at an earlier age, it would really assist them in their journey through life. There are dumbasses no matter what age you are, and age does not equal maturity. On the same hand, I've been to a lot of Raves where there wasn't the sense of community and it's a basic free for all and people of a certain age range were there...
There are some events here in the US where even younger people are present, and it creates a family and community vibe that kinda downplays some of the hedonistic aspects of what is seen in this scene. The fact that parents can have an environment to bring their children to a safe event where the child can experience some of the nurturing elements of the community is really awesome to see. Very close to the hippie gatherings of long past and present.
To imply that these gatherings are strictly for adults is to also imply that the values that these gatherings teach aren't important. And we also lead by example, go to a party and have some non-altered fun, show others that these gatherings are more than a place to chemically alter yourself, it's a place to connect with a greater community than what you perceive...
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Amen Mubali...
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ocelot
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On 2009-03-01 23:24, mubali wrote:
What is a vibe destroyer is all the "elders" that don't want to share something special with others. For sure some of the newcomers might not have the same spirit as the person who's been doing it since 93, but at the same time are the rules of the Temporary Autonomous Zone a gift from the devine once you reach a suitable age? How do you learn how to behave in a situation where you have freedom? These things are taught by those that are older and more experienced. It's just as important to educate the newer people on how things work, and to be perfectly honest the whole wait till you're older thing might just drive away a lot of people that might benefit from the energy that this scene provides. The key is as a person, to notice your surroundings and treat everyone like family. Don't be so caught up in yourself that you refuse to help someone out.
I've been to events where there were some younger individuals there, looking to understand what's going on and occasionally making mistakes. Some of the elder members in the community made it a point to speak to some of these people and at least attempt to show them a better way. I think that if people were able to embrace some of the ideals that this scene has, especially about community at an earlier age, it would really assist them in their journey through life. There are dumbasses no matter what age you are, and age does not equal maturity. On the same hand, I've been to a lot of Raves where there wasn't the sense of community and it's a basic free for all and people of a certain age range were there...
There are some events here in the US where even younger people are present, and it creates a family and community vibe that kinda downplays some of the hedonistic aspects of what is seen in this scene. The fact that parents can have an environment to bring their children to a safe event where the child can experience some of the nurturing elements of the community is really awesome to see. Very close to the hippie gatherings of long past and present.
To imply that these gatherings are strictly for adults is to also imply that the values that these gatherings teach aren't important. And we also lead by example, go to a party and have some non-altered fun, show others that these gatherings are more than a place to chemically alter yourself, it's a place to connect with a greater community than what you perceive...
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thats a good point. parties can include everyone or just be mainly from a certain age group... |
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