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syrex
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 04:16:51
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i know this quastion has been asked a lot but im coming from a diffrent direction to you
after i have my kick channel set up and my bass too after eqing and compressing if needs
do you...compress them both in one mono channel?a stereo one?a limiter one each channel?
how do you gain the fatness of this section?
the sub?
whats your process of the channels?
please help cause im getting where i want but this part is killing me!
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 13:32
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group channel - mono
multiband compression sometimes , limiting some other times , nothing as third option , some distortion on the group is possible ... yeah almost always group them together but not always the group is making much more then HP filters etc.
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syrex
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:12
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and how do you gain the sub part?the kick gets it or the bass?or both of them?
sorry for all the questions...its really important. |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:21
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don't add sub, everything you need is in whatever waveform you are using as bass.
If you haven't got sub, your bass is probably an octave too high, or you've gotten too kinky with the HP.
both kick and bass should have sub, and of similar volume, otherwise they'll sound incontiguous.
This means you need to be careful about placing them together on the same beat, and the freqs that they are working at. In fact, whilst you are learning, it is advisable to avoid them playing at the same time at all.
Hence dugga dugga.
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:24
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:39
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Oh yes,
I think keep things in stereo, and A/B to make sure it works in mono.
That way you can spread the uppers, which results in a mondo phat bass synth sound, when done properly.
I've never seen the point in having everything mono. Ever. Biggest myth in music production.
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:42
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the only good reason is that 90% of the systems in parties are routed this way. in clubs even more.
if you didnt check for the mono capability then you gonna be in trouble once you are up on the stand and the people wait for rock solid bass.
beside i do tend to make layering and the upper ones can stay in stereo sure.
also usualy i use something like bassline from ZTA3+ wits the inbuild delay with the filter letting only the mid and high to be delayed while the bass is not 
but he said fullon... i cant remember too much fullon using stereo bass. www.sattelbattle.com
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:43
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On 2008-04-28 14:42, Elad wrote:
also usualy i use something like bassline from ZTA3+ wits the inbuild delay with the filter letting only the mid and high to be delayed while the bass is not
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Exactly. Me likey.
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 16:44
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i always make a group track for kick and bass, mainly to adjust the gain of that section, according to all the other sounds, after kick+bass are tweaked to match each other. Sometimes i put hi-pass andor low-pass on the group channel, sometimes comp, but mostly nothing, just to move one fader instead of two.
I don't make fullon though 
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-aeon-
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 17:43
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yeaaaah for independently filtered and distorted bassline layers  |
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Tribute
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 17:53
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hey
2 noob questions sorry^^:
group track you mean both of the tracks in the MIXER are routing to one for both and then to the master right?
and how can i make mono channel in a mixer in FL? I think it only does stereo.. |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 19:25
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it's very easy to make them mono in FL.
In the mixer section where the integratd EQ is, there are 2 round buttons used for Pan. The upper one is used to use the stereo spread and the lower one is used to adjust the Pan... Left or Right.
All you have to do is to turn the first button at maximum to the right side and you will have a mono chanel. You can use same button to rise the stereo spread of melodic lines etc. , but this time you have to turn it to the left side. It works something like Waves Stereo Imager does !
In Fl you can find all the functions you need to create music. Nothing is missing !
Good luck !
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shachar
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 20:30
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don't add sub, everything you need is in whatever waveform you are using as bass.
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and what if not?
you can use MaxxBass, Rbass, Tube Warmer or Multiband comressor to add the subs.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 21:22
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Well, I've never run into a wave that doesn't have a fundamental frequency (excluding noise),
I don't like MaxBass or Rbass. They strike me as uneeded, and potentially extremely bad for the mix. Note potentially.
A Tube warmer adds saturation, often turning a wave more into a square type shape - ie it adds uppers, not subs (although it will affect *bass*), and a MB Comp can affect the amount of bass, true. But then, a lot of the time people use MB because they are not willing or capable of using shelves.
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syrex
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 21:29
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1.im allways learning.
my wave form not allways giving me the sub bass i want so it needs a procces
an exemple is this
my kick after proccesed channel is -7db
my bass is -8 with 2 eqs compressor abd dist.
i have a kick with a lot of sub freqs
and a bass from scorpion or trilogy or esm samples so its kinda at in the begining..
but not enough.
after that i route it to a mono group and there for right now i have multiband dist to hus things up...and a multiband comp like linmb....so maybe my leveling is wrong and i never hp or lp the kick or the bass...so what is the finish line ??
btw psycraft are producing fullon music and they seem to have it work the stereo bass...very nicely.
i will post a sample as fast as i can/
and thanks for all i think this is a very important subject and thx for the answers!
atma....i heard your tracks and one of them is The Ganzfeld Experiment this is a trilogy or cronox if im not mistaken and thats the kind of type of resolt i want...if you can help |
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