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IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 15:56
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i wonder if kicks shoul be always compressed in order to sound tight and wich compression is recommended. |
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NeutroN
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 20:11
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First of all their is no right way and their isn't just one way.
Now answering ur question, I always EQ and compress my kick so it can end up a bit more punchy and tighter. the compressor that I use is Waves C-1.
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Ajja
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 20:22
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i find if i use a multiband compressor i don't have to eq my kicks...
i think the less plugins you use on any sound, the cleaner your sound is
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 09:34
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not necessarliy ....
i know ppl who use more than 8 inserts on the channel and still get the CLEAN sound ....
u just need to know wat u need to know !
there is no other way !
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 17:27
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I don't usually compress my kickdrums in the track. I compress them in a wave editor before I load them into a sampler. This has the advantage that the sound is more stable.
You can put a bit of compression on the kickdrum+bassline to make them gel better together if that is needed.
Btw, a single multiband compressor can affect the sound as much if not more than the combination of EQ and compression because although it might only be one plugin, it is actually many seperate effects combined together: The sound is split into different bands by filters (causing band pass rippling and stuff like that). Then the dynamics of different bands are processed seperately (causing phase shifting unless you use a linear phase plugin). Usually the different bands have their own gain stages (affecting the sound in various ways) and then the bands are recombined (usualy not causing any more degradation).
This doesn't mean that you shouldn't use multiband compression. Just that it can affect the sound as much as using a chain of effects.
And indeed, you can use many effects one after each other if you know what you are doing ... There are no rules in audio.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 20:25
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I never compress my kicks. Never.
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Morax
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 20:56
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i hate to use words such as HAVE, ALWAYS... when making music.
every kick has its own 'character' and there are no rules, i think you need to use your ears more often  |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 22:45
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I agree with morax....it depends on the source.
Having said that, my favourite tool for making kicks nowadays, aderns "kick me", never seems to require any compression. The envelopes in that thing is just amazing. (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 22:51
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I would sound as "ass licker" but here it is , i agree with Morax , Spindrift and NeutroN's first sentence . I use compressor in order to gently remove peaks and level the sound sample . Tight done by pitch i think . To sound tight i use build in FL Pogo FX , for compressing sound i use Waves C1 and Waves Ultramaximazer. |
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spectra
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 12:54
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the less eq u use the better it´ll be. but u need a good quality kik. but try to use the less eq possible
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Styptic
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Posted : Oct 30, 2004 23:48
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well,
First of all, it is really depends on the sample itself, it could be a raw kick that has been made in soundforge or other software, or a sampled kick from some sample source (SampleCD, websites).
Many people try to rip "cool" kicks from released mastered tracks they like, and use them in their tracks, but they forget they apply eq and compression all over again just because they intend to and they think they should apply that chain, and so it begins to sound wrong.
The real quesion is how the kick was made and how does it sound in your studio. Some people having hard times hearing nasty resonance frequencies but these should be cut more often when using raw kicks.
Always trust your ears. It also depends on how you want your track to sound like, it could be extreamly tight or vice versa.
I would suggest to compress your kick after eqing it properly that means to cut nasty notches, cutting the sub frequencies (depends when you'r about to do so, could be also on the grouped kick and bass if there's no impact with the two (you will have to tweak the decay and note length of the bassline, and also to mess with the kick's lengh (should not be too long) to cope that). Matter of the amount of the dynamic compression depends on you. I usually like when the kick's body shape looks flat at high dB other than the kick's head. If you got the kick's head higher than the kick's body, you probably wont get satisfied with the final results when you will combine a bassline and more layers into, then, the phatness of the kick will get lost somewher ein the mix, therefor, when you compress, always hear and also look at the kick's shape...thats my personal taste with kicks and i'm sure many other will agree that the kick's body should be at the same level or greater than the head itslef in order to attain it's full lengh and domination in the mix.
Good luck with copmressing kicks
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Styptic
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Posted : Oct 31, 2004 01:20
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Should also add that it is important to attain great intensity to they kick's body... should not have a short decay...should be faded out only at the end nicely, after applying a compression.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 09:29
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On 2004-10-10 20:25, Mike A wrote:
I never compress my kicks. Never.
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i tend to go to the middle... i use compressor but in a way that it effects only on fast passes... so the kick is not picked too much there... but the original sound is still bouncy...
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Liquid Textures
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 13:28
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On 2004-10-10 20:56, Morax wrote:
every kick has its own 'character' and there are no rules, i think you need to use your ears more often
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