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Meta
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Posted : May 18, 2006 05:28
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Someone mentioned this in an other thread, but I can't recall which, and the search isn't giving me anything specific, so...
Any suggestions? I remember someone saying that distorting a kick can help you approximate the pitch value so you can pitch it up or down to match the key the track is written in. So far I've done the bitrate reduction method from within Battery, and I got the general idea, but... any better recommended methods?
I have vague memories of someone recommending a specific distortion plugin, and... then... something about panning or "turning it on its side" or something? Hazy, hazy memories.
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sideFXed
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Posted : May 18, 2006 06:40
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I'm not sure I've read that thread but all I do is use distortion as you say to get the initial pitch. then I use batterys envelope to handle the pitch of the kicks tail.
be sure to set the choke group of battery to the same sample group so the kick sample cuts itself.
on the other hand I often use two kick samples. one with a zip and the other with a bassy bottom end. the one with lower frequencies delayed <25 ms makes a nice full range sweep through the frequency spectrum. most of the time I only have to pay attention to the pitch of the boomy kick
no distortion on my end, but you could try quadrafuzz if you work in cubase. it lets you distort different frequency ranges independently.
when you got your kick/bassline combo, try a testbounce and look out for transients. The best situation is, when you can preserve some sort of silence between kick and bassline notes. So use a short releasetime for your kick and bassline.
I hope I didn't went too offtopic.
and I always try to remember myself: what sounds good is good
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texmex
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Posted : May 18, 2006 14:54
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Maybe this is it?
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| ...Strap a heavy distortion effect on the kick channel insert and crank the distortion way up, until you can hear the actual pitch of the drum (I mean come on, a kick is just a big sideways tom.) Tune your kick such that it is in sensible relation to your bassline's key...
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http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/57339/forum/2/start/15
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Meta
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Posted : May 18, 2006 20:29
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Fugga
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Posted : May 20, 2006 07:45
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yer... i also wanted to know what people thought about applying Autotune effects
to kicks & other parts of percussion to tune the samples??? And if this is possible? |
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texmex
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Posted : May 21, 2006 23:26
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Fugga, i don't think that's useful at all. Autotune is meant for correcting slight pitch errors (or used as an effect) in long phrases for vocals or instruments. Tuning single samples can be done easily by hand, why make it complicated? Or what did you have in mind? |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 12:45
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Can't a kick be even more simply tuned by dropping it in a sampler, and then playing it on the note you want it to be ? |
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Tomos
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 15:15
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Can't a kick be even more simply tuned by dropping it in a sampler, and then playing it on the note you want it to be ?
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Mapping a sample to a keyboard doesn't automatically make that key play that samples as that note!
You'd be able to play the sample across the keyboard with the interval relation intact, but you'd have to know the sample pitch first and make that the root in the sampler before it was any use as an tuned instrument.
Although just sticking it into a sampler is handy for nudging the midi up or down until a sample fits by ear. |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 15:30
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Oh, then I learned something, thanks a lot for the clarification  |
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 15:53
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I used to use the distortion method but more often than not there'd be a large zone of frequencies that seemed to be competing for the spotlight. Now I just use an eq to match up the dominating kick frequency to the dominating bass frequency.
Now there neer seems to be a portion that sounds "empty" if you understand? |
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index
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 16:30
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usually 2 samples is needed,one clear saw filtered waveform for the subs in tracks key that gives the impact and one with higher freqs for the punch.
Using a sampler +- 1 note makes the job but for further changes stretch doesnt sounds good especially for a file that plays all the time
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 20:22
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usually 2 samples is needed,one clear saw filtered waveform for the subs in tracks key that gives the impact and one with higher freqs for the punch.
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That's one way to do it I suppose, but I place my trust in bent sines for subs.
Keep it natural and all. |
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jizy
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 00:36
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iz the same done with the basslines? one sine on one channel and saw or square on another.... i struggle with this method.
how are the sines processed
multiband comp?
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dija
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 02:03
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What you need is to create your own kicks or to analyze a kick and make the root frequency of that kick the root of your track. I have a diagram chart that tells me what each key on the piano frequency is. You can google for this chart or I will send it to you. I could just post it up if its a highly demanded item. I will make a new post with the chart in it. The A i commonly use for my aminor songs is 55 hz |
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