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Adharaguy
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 15:20
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hello there.... i have a problem with my kick and bass in somme ocasions, but the strainge is that the "interferience" only happens somme times.....not everytime. is like a oohm a disfunsion on the low frequencies.. I have tried to cut the low frequencies in the bass around 100/150 hz but the problem continues... I want to now if a sidechain will resolve this problem or minimalize the oohm interfirencies. I have tried a sidechain but a ca´nt do it right. I have read the manual of sidechain in this forum but a cant do it because after that the kick and bass only lisen in the right speaker and dont lisen nothing in the left... I want to now that if my problem is because dont use the sidechain... and if that is the problem somme guy could help me.(i use the waves pack)... thanks guys.... |
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Spycht
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 17:00
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it might be a good idea to export a short sample so people can hear what you're talking about |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 22:51
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Sidechain helps, you have to sidechain bass and kick against each other... they will duck each other out, meaning they get attenuated when the other sound comes in. This also frees up some of your dynamic range btw...
what can help also is to find an ugly frequency around the 300 to 400 hz range and cut it.
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 02:29
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Don't use the sidechain to avoid clashing is my best advice.
If the meter goes 2-3db higher on the master fader than the bass or kick fader you should probably forget the sidechain for now and work on the volume envelope of your kick and the placement of your bass notes.
Sidechain is just the icing on the cake. Very often it's not really needed at all. If you are using it as a correctional tool for such a noticeable problem you'll have to work way harder than you should to get good results. I'd say an increase of 1db when the bass and kick are both playing is bordering acceptable and maybe then you can start thinking about sidechaining.
I think the major issue with sidechaining is that too many people are making it out to be compulsary. I get very nice results without with 0db increase in the bottom end... well I think so anyway  |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 20:39
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150hz is too high for bass fqncies...
The problem that i usually face is the tone of the kick not being harmonic with the bass and i hate it cause cubase statics won't give a precise analysis on the kick's tone (perhaps because of diferent pitch in kick's sine) so i have to blind pitch shift it until i find a match or i decide going for another kick.
dunno if this is your problem but maybe a sampler with fine tuning would help. |
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Adharaguy
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 15:51
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ok i will send a loop with the kick and bass, but there is a problem....i don't now how i put the file in the forum  ... sommeone cant explain me out to do it.... thanks.... |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 18:41
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Adharaguy, you can't. Use something like YouSendit.com
Btw, I agree with soulfood. Sidechain compression shouldn't be used to fix these kind of problems IMO. For it to have any real effect, you would need to set the attack of the compressor to zero (or as fast as possible) which means that the bass line will distort each time the kick hits... Not nice.
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 21:29
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 21:43
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I never been a fan of using sidechaining to separate kick and bass either.
You really have enough control over the parts to not have to resort to that, and it's usually better not to have a problem to start with than applying remedies to the problem.
Maybe the bass synth you are using have unreliable envelopes?
If it only happens sometimes you could always try to bounce and use parts where the problem doesn't manifest itself.
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Upavas
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 09:23
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I use sidechaining a lot with kick and bass, it frees up a little dynamic range which seems to make the overall mix a lot nicer. I also usually bounce the bass out into a wav file, edit that the way I want it and then use that instead of the synth, frees up cpu as well...
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-aeon-
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 13:47
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sidechaining can be very subtle. just a touch can help inject 'feel' into a kick/bass combination.
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 17:31
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On 2008-01-31 21:43, Spindrift wrote:
I never been a fan of using sidechaining to separate kick and bass either.
You really have enough control over the parts to not have to resort to that, and it's usually better not to have a problem to start with than applying remedies to the problem.
Maybe the bass synth you are using have unreliable envelopes?
If it only happens sometimes you could always try to bounce and use parts where the problem doesn't manifest itself.
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I agree here. Design ur bass and kick with out overlapping in the first place gives mostly much better results then trying to get it work with scing bass and kick.
But in some cases it gives a nice sound and if u use bass on kick it can help too, but in this case u can also lower the volume of the kick by hand.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 18:33
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Sure there is no rules and sidechaining can create a nice effect sometimes that is hard to achieve with other means. But it's a bit lazy approach as a remedy for problems with the sounds overlapping.
What I been playing around with lately is a modular patch where i split the bass signal and run one though a HPF and have the other one unaltered.
The kick triggers an envelope follower that fades between the filtered signal and the unaltered version.
Similar in effect to letting the envelope control a HPF, but without the sweeping effect that I find annoying with that approach.
I find that gives a very nice flow to the bass when you want some overlapping without clashing.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 18:40
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Spindrift, can you post an example of the results with your technique?
Btw, as others have pointed out, you can get a cool groove with the side-chain trick and I have nothing against that but IMO it should be used for effect and not as a fix for another problem (overlapping notes/frequencies/whatever).
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-aeon-
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Posted : Feb 1, 2008 19:48
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if you work in ableton, you can set autofilter to HPF with a positive ramp every 1/4 note, effectively 'ducking' the low frequencies when the kick goes. i tend to use this with high resonance on layered bass channels to create nice energy. |
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