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Kick & Bass group compression `gel`
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 10, 2010 01:25
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about the ny compression trick it s the same as using a very small ratio and compress if i m right |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 11, 2010 14:58
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On 2010-07-05 17:41, disco hooligans wrote:
I've done a test on this.
I have made 5 clips, one with no group compression, and 4 clips using group compression using Logic's 4 "colorful" compressor circuits.
All different circuits have the same compressor settings
Attack:10ms
Release:32ms
Ratio: 2.6:1
Gain reduction is the same for all circuits, aprox. 1dB
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wich one you like the most? imo none justify the use of the comrpessor with these settings .
often when used on a kick bass bus like that the more it enhance the sound the more the kick bass is badly mixed at first imo, here it don t really make things sounding better , dont know if you have time but would be curious to hear just with a bit of limiting with the comp bypassed |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 11, 2010 20:14
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I've finished the track and mixed it down. Sorted the kick and bassline sounds and they sound tighter now. I'll post soon.
I decided to not use the group compressor, it just sounds cleaner to my ears and sorted out the "flappiness" by simply mixing the thing better.
peace out.
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dija
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Posted : Jul 13, 2010 01:09
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I personally never compress a kick. The only reason I'd use a compressor is to sidechain the bass to kick. Just make sure you have a good synth that has a stable output. Some synths will have a varying velocity as they play the same note over and over occasionally one will hit bad. So make sure your synth doesnt do that and making them gel is just a matter of frequencies or sidechaining. Theres no need to bus your bass and kick to a single channel imo unless its for live purposes or another reason you need control over those two elements at once.
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daark
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Posted : Jul 13, 2010 08:05
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i think this could be important to make kick and bass to be same level so u could use the compressor on group for that could make things a bit more correct no unwanted peaks and stuff like same level?... what do u think?
alot of people do weird things alot of fullon releases and others i saw had phase problems and sometimes the peak of the bass was waaay of phase like mekkanikas track instrumental and he did it anyway
but others like phatmatix or eskimo i didn't saw those kind of things
can't say i heard it too much but in the end there are tracks that mix and suddenly i can't mix with others like huja boy one track has strong bass the other is like wtf i don't even need to cut the lows
kindzadzas track always worked but some others could not get in the mix cause of lame sound
to remind the quallity bitrate and encoding was the same for everybody sometimes even on same vas big difference between sound on tracks
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dija
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Posted : Jul 30, 2010 02:16
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only time i find i have this issue is when eq is applied to the bass and you make octave jumps. for example i usually dip out some mid of my bass so when a note jumps up that requires more midrange it will come slightly less even with the rest of them. however this usually is not a problem because the higher a frequency is the less power it takes for it to be audible.
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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 30, 2010 13:24
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jul 30, 2010 20:23
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http://www.gelconference.com/img/gelman.gif
im getting nice results with this. not really with fullon Kbbb pattern, but more so in cases where the bass is all over the show.
i agree with dh, you loose some clarity, but you gain some warm togetherness.
Im using very sublte settings. trying to keep as much dynamics in tact, adding at most 10% saturation.
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Vision Seeker
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Posted : Aug 2, 2010 06:51
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Nice advice here.
To glue the kick and bass so that they feel connected, I really don't do much.
On both my Kick and Bass channels, I have a compressor with some light settings, and an EQ that rolls off down towards 0db @ 16-20hz to get rid of any mud down the bottom and still leave room for oomph.
Then I find a nice kick sample, or craft a kick (using Bazzism2), assign to kick channel, create a good bass (or find a good sample) that melts into the kick.. and adjust the ADSR envelope of the kick sample to adjust the tail of the kick so it does not clash with the bass.
It's about finding the right sounds that work together.. and tweaking ADSR envelopes so the kick doesn't overlap the bass too much and vice-versa.
Hope that helps,
Cheers
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dija
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Posted : Aug 4, 2010 21:51
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TuK
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Posted : Aug 5, 2010 16:29
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if you are looking to get the kick and bass sounding "tight" then commpression isn't your answer, the reason that you say that you are "commpresion deaf" is that commpressing the kick and bass will give you a small change not a big one, i sometimes compress them togeher but it's only for small adjustment.
the most important things from my experience is:
1. learn how to eq, especially the kick. most kicks need a cut in around 500Hz, sometimes the sub's are high so i cut in the 50hz, and somtimes the high midd's so i cut in the 1-2KHz area........ explore. i almost only cut barely boost,the major eq is done on the kick not on the bass.
2. work on the envelope of the bass, i think thats the most important to get the bass right, filter decay, filter cutoff and the envelope amount those are the three parameters you should look after.
3. when you write the bass in midi use the velocity to give it some dynamics, very important to make it sound together with the kick.
that's how i do things, i dont think commpresion will make the kick and bass sound "glued" maybe a little better thats it. to make them sound "glued" work with eq, envelopes, good synth for bass and good samples for kick.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 5, 2010 17:26
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like i said,
my kick and bass already fits good (without comp). EQed and all.
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Psydust
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 08:00
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also dont know if anyone pointed this out, kicks rarely jump an octave up or down with kick being a constant here, focusing is how bass sounds with kick is the key here  after the prominent frequency is known with kick, i try to treat my bass corresponding with kick's dynamics. |
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dija
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Posted : Aug 6, 2010 08:07
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On 2010-08-05 16:29, TuK wrote:
if you are looking to get the kick and bass sounding "tight" then commpression isn't your answer, the reason that you say that you are "commpresion deaf" is that commpressing the kick and bass will give you a small change not a big one, i sometimes compress them togeher but it's only for small adjustment.
the most important things from my experience is:
1. learn how to eq, especially the kick. most kicks need a cut in around 500Hz, sometimes the sub's are high so i cut in the 50hz, and somtimes the high midd's so i cut in the 1-2KHz area........ explore. i almost only cut barely boost,the major eq is done on the kick not on the bass.
2. work on the envelope of the bass, i think thats the most important to get the bass right, filter decay, filter cutoff and the envelope amount those are the three parameters you should look after.
3. when you write the bass in midi use the velocity to give it some dynamics, very important to make it sound together with the kick.
that's how i do things, i dont think commpresion will make the kick and bass sound "glued" maybe a little better thats it. to make them sound "glued" work with eq, envelopes, good synth for bass and good samples for kick.
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+1 - added, compression is your best friend yet worst enemy. that is the biggest mistake newbie producers make is over compressing everything cuz it sounds better than their crappy mix. when they over compress it basically mixes itself together and mooshes it up giving them better results than they had not knowing anything about their mix.
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