supergroover
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 11:26
just use your ears. If it sounds good it sounds good.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 11:48
1. side chain can fix the problem that kick is on the bass.
2. i think that if the kick is just little bit more than 16th it's the best.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 12:57
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On 2010-02-24 11:48, dj chichke wrote:
1. side chain can fix the problem that kick is on the bass.
2. i think that if the kick is just little bit more than 16th it's the best.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 15:08
I have never viewed these "rules" as actual rules, more like tips for when I get stuck with parts that doesn't sound good or work well. Some times it can solve the problem and I can proceed with the production, some times it ends up making things sound worse... then it's just to undo and rethink. It's often worth giving it a shot since these guidelines have been shaped by people who have spent a lot of time experimenting and come up with these solutions.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 15:18
good post, thanks... since these guides i never tried to play bass together with kick at the same time, or maybe a long sweeping bassnote over the kick.
how do you handle such things?
automate EQ, multibandsidechaining, or maybe use samples for these sweeps and eq them seperatly?
what works best for you?
it seems i took these guides to seriously and it keep me away from sound-experiments and using my ears!
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 15:37
no special eq or processing ,it s how good the source blend toghteher, tuning the kick help to get the sound in "phase" plus fading the tail ,low velocity on the first bassline note to get the pumping and not a big peak with the sub of the kick.
make some kicks short and big , it make things more easy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 16:00
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On 2010-02-24 15:37, PoM wrote:
no special eq or processing ,it s how good the source blend toghteher, tuning the kick help to get the sound in "phase" plus fading the tail ,low velocity on the first bassline note to get the pumping and not a big peak with the sub of the kick.
make some kicks short and big , it make things more easy
thanks , but in this case i meant a long sweeping bassnote wich starts before the kick comes in and ends after the kick ends.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 18:30
There are few ways to go about things. If the kick and bass notes complement each other well, then you can get away with it. If the bassline notes vary and play a scale that doe not fit the kick and creates a dissonance in the bottom end, that simply muddies things up and makes the bottom end incoherent, its time to start shortening note lenghts, notching frequencies out...etc.
For them long bassline notes that fall on top of the kick, you really need to tune the kick, not necessarily at the root frequency of the bassline, but something that simply sounds good for that bassline scale, as a whole.
And sidechain the bassline, especially the sub layer to keep the mix under control.
What I mentioned I've out to practise in order to make this tune from our first LP
Two layers of bassline, one mono sub line, sidechained to fuck, one stereo mid line, hint of tight reveeb, making the bassline sound stereo and with some depth along with less gain reduction at the drop of every kick.
Listening to it today, I could have paid more attention to the kick, but it sounds good enough, to me anyway.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2010 20:15
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On 2010-02-24 18:30, disco hooligans wrote:
There are few ways to go about things. If the kick and bass notes complement each other well, then you can get away with it. If the bassline notes vary and play a scale that doe not fit the kick and creates a dissonance in the bottom end, that simply muddies things up and makes the bottom end incoherent, its time to start shortening note lenghts, notching frequencies out...etc.
For them long bassline notes that fall on top of the kick, you really need to tune the kick, not necessarily at the root frequency of the bassline, but something that simply sounds good for that bassline scale, as a whole.
And sidechain the bassline, especially the sub layer to keep the mix under control.
Two layers of bassline, one mono sub line, sidechained to fuck, one stereo mid line, hint of tight reveeb, making the bassline sound stereo and with some depth along with less gain reduction at the drop of every kick.
Listening to it today, I could have paid more attention to the kick, but it sounds good enough, to me anyway.
