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Kick and Bass Volumes
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 19:43
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ichabod but you're looking to masterized tracks  the master dynamics are compressed so you can't compare like that. |
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shachar
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 13:17
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Its all in your hears guys!
one kick on -7 db can sound a lot power full than other kick on -7 db because of compression (RMS level) and such.
dont depand on the numbers too much. |
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Cannabis
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 23:35
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Well, most usable Kicks I got are samples and were at some point compressed, so I do hesitate to compress them individually more, since I would lose the dynamics.
Nevetherless, some kicks/basses are louder than the others at the same db, as Shachar said.
What do you recommend to get thye levels and loudness right without losing too much dynamics?
Do you recommend to compress/filter a Clean kick, i.e. from a TR 909 or TR 808 sample., or just tweak a ready sample?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 01:59
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Cannabis - on already processed samples i would suggest EQ, to isolate and carve to fit baseline...
also some pitching to fit baseline can also be good, but to try a compressor in any case is not bad, i mean you can compress how much you want if you just think it sounds good..
but best is to learn how to make your own kicks, this way when you learn how to controll the tool you use, you can make dedicated kicks for a bass... im going to practise it more my self...
and like shachar says, Rms is more to rely on...
i mean the density of the sound determine´s how loud you perceive it..
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presto music
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 03:54
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On 2006-01-20 13:17, shachar wrote:
Its all in your hears guys!
one kick on -7 db can sound a lot power full than other kick on -7 db because of compression (RMS level) and such.
dont depand on the numbers too much.
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yep, it's to do with your ears being more responsive to the sustained resonance of the kick rather than the transient click of the attack. but you're right about compression, the more you compress the kick, the less dynamic range and therefore a lesser difference between the peak and rms values, this is the real issue for me. you are gonna be measuring the kick after compression has been applied and therefore be dealing with a relatively undynamic sound.
either way, it alway has to be in your ears, and you can feel the power of the kick in your body vibrating through your desk and walls (as a far better reference than numbers). If you work with similar kicks from track to track, you can start to appreciate what the peak value represents, and use it as a reference.
so for all those who are saying that rms is the best way to measure, what are your rms values? haven't seen any quoted yet...
regarding the 3dB difference issue, this would be related to you measuring your bass values in mono in your track meter, and in stereo on the master buss. so the values that you use are those in the track meter.
cheers
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 12:57
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I got the levels for the bass & kick right just wondering about the master output fader in SX..Since its -4.16 by default do you guys leave it like that or put it at 0db?
This also makes a difference when you bounce a part to audio, for example if its at -4.16 then that part is less louder than it was being played originally right?
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