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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 16:11
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Hi... i'm still in process of developing my EQ skills. I have this case in which my kick and my bass they both peak around 70hz. As much as i know im suposed to lower the kick's frequencies at the bass peak but what if they are on the same? should i use my bass one octave higher? (it's C) it doesn't sound good.
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orange
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 16:21
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2 things.
1st if u want a fat kick u should lower the bass freq that overlap with the kick freq.
2nd if u want a fat bass i suggest u lower abit in the freq where the kick overlap with the bass and cut the bass somewhere between 30-45hz and pump 2-3 db on the 50-55hz on the kick
but most important is the bass/kick wave not to overlap each other cos this usually cos freq peaks u do that by envelope them if u want a bass to play with the kick u need to sidechain.
that is a general tip different sounds need different approach.
but this is the way i work but maybe some sounds need some different freq manipulation
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felon-collie
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Posted : Sep 3, 2007 12:56
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but wouldn't this create phazing problems...
this is where sidechaining becomes handy isn't it ? |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 3, 2007 13:36
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for that problem tuning a bit the kick or move the bassline few ms can help . |
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 4, 2007 15:39
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aciduss, forget about eqing. use sidechain. just search this forum for sidechain.
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aciduss
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Posted : Sep 4, 2007 19:21
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Hello... yeah im aware of sidechaingin and i just love it but before i try to eq the best i can and recently i have been facing this issue. Thanks all for your answers, this aint really a big problem but i wanted to know what you guys do.
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 5, 2007 02:11
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shachar
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Posted : Sep 10, 2007 15:29
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On 2007-09-05 02:11, tsabeat wrote:
sometimes invert one of the channels phase can help along with atrop'a eq suggestiona and sidechain
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phase reverse for 1 channel usually damage the center of the image and will cancell on mono mix. use it only if there phase problems that you know of or as effect but i would not recomend this as a "trick" to get better bass or kick.
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orange
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Posted : Sep 10, 2007 17:09
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 10, 2007 18:02
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aint all depend on the original sample phase ?
i meen , u dont know what kick or bass evryone use , and sometimes the original sample/synth isnt the best compliment for each other, and the invert phase can make them to be much better.
sure its not rule.
about the mono , first my kick bass group is mono so i can notice cancels , also i think mono sux anywayz , in 2007 its funny we are not all on 5.1.. who listen in mono is not the one i make the music for hehe , in gigs i demend to check its stereo , it would be funny to play throu mono after putting so much into the stereo mix and pan effects.
anywayz the common easy way is not place the bass on kick notes (just remember this will cancel 25% of possible rythms for the bass)
another great trick is to have deep notch down on each in diffent freqs
for example: cut kick in 500hz and bass in 125hz ...
well play with those points defintly not a rule , but worth the try 
the points changing according to your samples and in diffrent acoustics. www.sattelbattle.com
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 11, 2007 08:57
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On 2007-09-10 15:29, shachar wrote:
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On 2007-09-05 02:11, tsabeat wrote:
sometimes invert one of the channels phase can help along with atrop'a eq suggestiona and sidechain
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phase reverse for 1 channel usually damage the center of the image and will cancell on mono mix. use it only if there phase problems that you know of or as effect but i would not recomend this as a "trick" to get better bass or kick.
cheers
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I'm almost sure that tsabeat didn't mean reversing the phase on a stereo channel - but reversing the phase of the mono kick channel or mono bass channel.
Since they are all mono, there are no identical pairs of the same signal to create a cancelation.
Nevertheless, what you said is true when it comes to right/left phase reverse in a stereo signal.
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shachar
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Posted : Sep 11, 2007 16:59
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tsabeat, are you still going back to the mono / stereo discussion? leave it pleas cuz even in 2027 you will check your mix in mono! its like the foundation of the mix, good foundation will make a "strong" building.
anyway,like trip said, if every channel (1 for kick and 1 for bass) is mono so this can help if the original sample recorded badly (phase issues - usually bass Vsts are stereo and if youll record them to mono it can be done wrong or not properly)
last thing ... did you say that your group channel is also mono? does not sounds good to me...
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aciduss
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 17:21
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I'm almost sure that tsabeat didn't mean reversing the phase on a stereo channel - but reversing the phase of the mono kick channel
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how does one do that? reversing kick's phase, or the synth's (some vsts allow that but how to on the kick? thanks. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 18:11
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Aciduss,
I suppose you can invert phase of the kick sample pretty easy with any wave editor.
Doing it using a plugin in real time is also possible, but I know only Logic's gainer plugin that inverts phase. Maybe there are other vst plugins that do the same...
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