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Kick and Bass... help!!
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Sheil
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 21:45:48
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this is what i could come up with after ages of experimenting with kick and bass sounds. It still seems so incomplete... can somebody please tell me what to do to make it sound better?
http://www.4shared.com/file/54657616/9ace1410/kick_and_bass.html
(it's a short loop)
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 14:42
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sorry dood,
but 4 me theres no chance to hear what u did. send another link with kick and bass only!!!!  |
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Space_Shuttle
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 14:55
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It sounds nice, but i think you should give it more groove! Try quadrafuzz...
Btw, how do you get that sound variety with snare? I mean that "pa patata pa" is that with delay?
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 17:31
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for the kick and bass you've chosen, it sounds pretty full.
I'm listening on headphones though, so I can't really talk about the subs.
But the bass-y energy seems consistent between the kick and bassline.
Do you have bass notes on the kick with side-chaining compression?
Personally I like my bass an octave lower, but it might sound odd in your song.
I dunno, it sounds pretty good - focus on the rest of the track! |
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Mandari
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 18:20
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hey again,
sure what i can hear sounds pretty nice. whant also ask u about sidechaining compression and maybe play lil bit with velocity.
but 4 me sounds pretty well as far i can hear it. got irritated cause theres much high frequency in it. think kick and bass is clear, is it in mono and frequency above in stereo ?
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Sheil
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 18:28
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On 2008-07-11 14:55, Space_Shuttle wrote:
It sounds nice, but i think you should give it more groove! Try quadrafuzz...
Btw, how do you get that sound variety with snare? I mean that "pa patata pa" is that with delay?
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What exactly is Quadrafuzz? and the (pa pata ta) is just a DnB loop filtered and sliced.. I personally think delay is hard to control for percussion. I prefer ghost notes. Gives me more control..
@fuzzikitten, what exactly are bass notes on the kick with side-chaining compression? i have a fair idea i guess.
@Mandari, I didn't quite get what you meant. "The Dancefloor is for those who usually can't afford to drink in the bar"
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 19:47
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Where you have a kick drum and bass note happening at the same time.
You can do this, but be sure to either lower the velocity on the bass note or use sidechaining compression to compress the bass drum on each kick. Otherwise you'll distort (can't play bass and kick at the same time at full volume, too much bass energy).
do a search on sidechaining. |
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Space_Shuttle
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 20:15
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On 2008-07-11 18:28, DJ Sheil wrote:
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On 2008-07-11 14:55, Space_Shuttle wrote:
It sounds nice, but i think you should give it more groove! Try quadrafuzz...
Btw, how do you get that sound variety with snare? I mean that "pa patata pa" is that with delay?
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What exactly is Quadrafuzz? and the (pa pata ta) is just a DnB loop filtered and sliced.. I personally think delay is hard to control for percussion. I prefer ghost notes. Gives me more control..
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Quadrafuzz is a plug in for distortion which is incorporated in Cubase.
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 20:23
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On 2008-07-11 14:55, Space_Shuttle wrote:
It sounds nice, but i think you should give it more groove! Try quadrafuzz...
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how quadrafuzz giving more groove?
or groove=cool , not actualy rythmical term of groove ?
and i agree with shelly here , ghost notes for percussion 95% of the times better then delay imho
bout your kick and bass i prefer also solo them for better understand
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sly
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 22:47
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quite difficult to hear with all the other elements...
actually it's cool but i think there are conflicts in the 60 hz region. i guess kick sine is sitting around these frequencies and clashes with bass. it's like there's not enough space for the kick. check decay and pitch bending of the kick (for my taste it could have more tops as well), maybe eq and side-chain.
what i hear there is also a stereo problem in the lows (but not sure). try mono.
personally i think theres a little bit to much low-cut. probably it's just the root key (kick+bass). i would make bass some notes lower (just my taste).
@ fuzzi: one whole octave lower? u really can handle such deep basses. would be interesting to listen...
o.k. i should stop now cause a bit drunk. listen again tomorrow.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 20:49
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Hey m8,
what i meant was there many other elements to separate the sounds to hear only kick n bass. so would prefer loop with just kick and bass in it. but doesnt matter.....
other thing was if u tried sidechain compression to your kick and play lil bit around with velocity levels of each bass note or whatever u like. as fuzzykitten said before. just try out what u prefer......
at last for me it sounded like sly said as there are conflicts not even only in 60hz region. hard to say, cause there r more elements than just kick n bass, but try to separate them and give each one own space. cut everythin below around 30hz region and cut noisy frequency.
basic thing i mean is programmin both in mono, kick n bass, and everything above in stereo. so you take a tool like ozone izotope, and put on masterchannel, i prefer doin this. record kick n bass in mono sure put in clips or whatever and arrange stereofield with ozone on masterchannel. you can arrange the frequency parts u wanna have mono and the ones in stereo. sure the parts range either. and really nice tool to add overtones u cutted away on other sounds before....
my opinion, one of my ways to get there, sure there r thousands. how to create kick is other story, prefer FM modulation with Sound Forge8. how to get bass.....hm :/
Albino....... =) my choice, vanguards nice.
but this is another story.....
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orgytime
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 21:01
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with this distorted panning saw-horn noise its hard to hear, but i also think you have to sidechain compress the bass @ every kick.
im also stucked with this 16/16 basslines...
not sure about the lengh of each note... atm i just delete the bassnote what comes at the same time with kick to avoid kick/bass conflicts.
dont take it to serious, its just a noob opinion 
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Posted : Jul 13, 2008 04:45
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Its not a rule that you can't have bass notes on the kick but in this case it doesnt really work. The kick loses to much punch and definition and the bassnotes on the kick arent really important here imo. You will get the same groove only better if you skip the bass notes ontop of the kick. You should also transpose your track down. I think one octave is to much for this bass sound so try with less. |
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DJ_PSYNYDE
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Posted : Jul 14, 2008 23:58
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hmmm nice one sheil..... but thr is always a scope for improvement...well lemme hear it again for couple of times and then i guess, will be able to giv a constructive feedback...till then keep up the good work and keep boomin
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 22:45
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On 2008-07-11 22:47, sly wrote:
@ fuzzi: one whole octave lower? u really can handle such deep basses. would be interesting to listen...
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I live for deep basses.
You can only go so far down before it loses it's musical quality, but right before that point the bass is really thick and lowwww. Key is to EQ out the highs a lot and crank the volume.
Analog bass patches for Kontakt help too.  |
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