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Kick and Bass Headroom General Rule

wizanda
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 14:33
The professional plug-ins like PSP vintage warmer, Maximus, etc add clarity at mastering level and are there to make sure an already perfect mix has maximum volume, without clipping; plus add that distinctive saturation, to make it sound real.           www.wizanda.com www.soundcloud.com/wizanda
Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 15:45
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On 2009-11-28 14:33, wizanda wrote:
The professional plug-ins like PSP vintage warmer, Maximus, etc add clarity at mastering level and are there to make sure an already perfect mix has maximum volume, without clipping; plus add that distinctive saturation, to make it sound real.



Its tools!
how to use them is arguable, i would say like speakafreaka say, use on individual tracks.. Or For testing how a "premasterd" version will sound, ect how reverb tails and other FX will sound when they are boosted you can strap certain maximizing FX on the master-out...

For speakafreakas advice, only use a simple fullband compressor, like the URS,
read the article, "its like using layers of paint on a car" so the first layer is not so heavy... i have not yet to experiment with this but i will do..

But to answer, no the track should not sound like a "(pre)mastered" if you are going to send it for a mastering job... they often want some headroom and some RMS to work with... but like i said its good for you to know that there is no excessive smearing of FX sort to say...

cheers all
jizy
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 16:30
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On 2009-11-27 12:40, Speakafreaka wrote:
I'd say it is more dependant on feel rather than tempo.

I don't think there is any easy way to determine it apart from learning what sounds good and what doesn't which is a bit trial and error.

In terms of timing I disagree with the article - I'll typically go circa 1-5ms attack (their suggestion is really really slow!) and circa 100-150ms on the release - of course, all depending on vibe of the track.

Jizy, I tend to go with a vintage URS unit - reckon it depends how you want your mix to sound - clear and transparent? Probably something like Oxford Dynamics. A bit twitchy around the edges? Probably URS 1970.

In terms of levels - I check the RMS of my mix before the compressor and set the threshold to just slightly higher than that. Ratio I keep very low at 1:5 to around 2. The aim isn't really compression here, in many ways Its more about making your mix dynamics 'sympathetic' to the character of the track. It is a very subtle effect at the end of the day.

I made an A/B comparison for another forum where I was talking in more depth about it which might be amusing (all mixed on headphones so forgive wonkiness) - I even phase invert it, so you can hear the difference! It is a very subtle effect http://www.sendspace.com/file/j73lu5



sorry mate can't listin my comp is fuking up, on phone, great words freaka!
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009
Headroom is your friend.
nyklfunk


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Posted : Nov 29, 2009 03:21
discalimer: this response in no way supports or acknowledges that the person or persons who created this word 'headroom' or named this name 'headroom' actually had the power and authority to do so

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don't underestimate the powers of imagination visualiztion and hearing

imagine being at an indoor or outdoor party

the sounds, smells, people and then how would these sounds be coming off there

and find ways to work on hearing

sit in a place that is uber quiet and listen super intensely for every sound

then take a deep breath and hum and listen to it

listen to the sound in your HEAD

listen to the sound in the ROOM



forget about HEADROOM



jizy
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Posted : Nov 29, 2009 04:40
Interesting
Mr Headroom
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Posted : Nov 29, 2009 12:11
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On 2009-11-29 03:21, nyklfunk wrote:
discalimer: this response in no way supports or acknowledges that the person or persons who created this word 'headroom' or named this name 'headroom' actually had the power and authority to do so

--------------------------------------

don't underestimate the powers of imagination visualiztion and hearing

imagine being at an indoor or outdoor party

the sounds, smells, people and then how would these sounds be coming off there

and find ways to work on hearing

sit in a place that is uber quiet and listen super intensely for every sound

then take a deep breath and hum and listen to it

listen to the sound in your HEAD

listen to the sound in the ROOM



forget about HEADROOM









If you clip every track then your music is going to sound shit. Practicing proper level maintenance is a basic thing. It is very easy once you understand the why and how.

If you want to ignore the meters you potentially can IF you calibrate your monitoring system.

http://www.digido.com/level-practices-part-2-includes-the-k-system.html

People please stop shredding the fuk out of your music, it makes good songs sound crap and fatiguing on the ear.
Mr Headroom
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Posted : Nov 29, 2009 12:13
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On 2009-11-28 23:33, Inactive User wrote:
Headroom is your friend.



+1

*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 22:38
should it still be allright for mastering if my master bus peaks slightly above -3(no plugins), almost touching -2. but only rarely. and very briefly.

i have my kick & bass each peaking -6
with the rest of the mix the master bus hovers around -3 but every now and again jumping slightly above.. touching -2 when a very dynamic lead come to play.


*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 23:00
one more thing. I was following this thread.
i aslo prefer to have a very light compression on the master, to mix into. i use it to referrence what the mix will sound like with compression on the master., so i toggle it while mixing.
I use' kjaerhus classic compressor' (it is free download http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-compressor.php)
; it has a preset called 'mixdown'.
this preset is very subtle and dynamic. my -3 mix only raises with 1db with it switched on.
for those interested
Obelizk
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 23:41
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On 2009-11-28 14:33, wizanda wrote:
The professional plug-ins like PSP vintage warmer, Maximus, etc add clarity at mastering level and are there to make sure an already perfect mix has maximum volume, without clipping; plus add that distinctive saturation, to make it sound real.



what kind of settings do you use on psp vintage warmer? I don't usually use one, but I want to experiment with it to see how it sounds.           www.musicproductionnatural.com || www.facebook.com/djamoeba | facebook page
vision dream
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Posted : Dec 13, 2009 11:16
it is important when you're mixing to leave a certain amount of headroom, if your mix goes louder than -5 dbfs, you'd say that you have 5db of head room. there are two reason to leave a headroom in this manner; to leavesome space to perfomr mastering or finalizing processes. how much headroom you nees to leave is an open question but in general when working in 24-bit audio, it'sbetter to err on the side of too much than on the side of too little,anywhere between 3db and 20 db should be fine. 6db is apretty good amount for music with modest dynamic range, such electronic music.natyrally, your music will be quieter if ti has a lot of headroom.
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 20:07
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On 2009-12-09 22:38, *eLliSDee* wrote:
should it still be allright for mastering if my master bus peaks slightly above -3(no plugins), almost touching -2. but only rarely. and very briefly.


Yes, as far as I'm concerned.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 21:42
good then colin.
i do not want to redo all channel levels to make headroom on the master. i like the levels as is.
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 22:14
If the track peaks on the master, just lower the master until it stops clipping. You won't lose any quality.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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