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soulfood
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Posted : Nov 4, 2009 21:54
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On 2009-10-28 02:54, Inner Demon wrote:
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On 2009-10-27 14:48, soulfood wrote:
There's no point in having too much headroom though.
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Well as long as you can hear the mix, there's really no such thing as too much headroom. Better to have a lot then too little.
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There is such thing as the noise floor though. |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Nov 4, 2009 23:08
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On 2009-11-04 21:54, soulfood wrote:
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On 2009-10-28 02:54, Inner Demon wrote:
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On 2009-10-27 14:48, soulfood wrote:
There's no point in having too much headroom though.
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Well as long as you can hear the mix, there's really no such thing as too much headroom. Better to have a lot then too little.
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There is such thing as the noise floor though.
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You're absolutely right. I guess especially if you use hardware this comes into play. |
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 23:06
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On 2009-11-04 12:27, Pythagoraz wrote:
It doesn't matter in any way. the only point of staying low on the dbs is to avoid distorting/clipping peaks. There is absolutely no quality difference between a mix that peaks at -1db and one that peaks at -10 db. the only exception being that the -10db mix would have slightly more silence-noize in it. But nothing anyone could hear so again it doesn't matter at all.
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Well it does depend on the bit rate so that's not entirely true. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 05:39
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8bit at 22khz - its the future!
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 05:40
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On 2009-11-14 05:39, Freeflow wrote:
8bit at 22khz - its the future!
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well it has spawned a genre |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 11:16
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bit depth and noise floor.
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on 16bit mixes, you have 96dB of headroom to play with.
on 24bit mixes, you have 144dB of headroom to play with.
So, if you are working in 24bit, (which you should be ) , in the box, if your mix were to peak at exactly -48dB, then you would have exactly the fidelity of CD. At volumes higher than this, you get better than CD quality.
My CDs in my collection sound good with 96dB headroom. Dropping a few DB away from 0 in a 24bit mix really won't hurt your mix. In fact, working with 24 bit VSTs in a 24 bit mix in practical terms pretty much eliminates any noise floor issues you may have.
Mixing into a Compressor on the master bus - can be great - I always do: here is an article on it.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may08/articles/mixcompression.htm
carefully is the word here. Mastering engineers may hate you for it, but it is a well respected and researched technique. Even if you have no intention of ever using it, the article is worth a read. Indeed, in this article at the bottom of the page, you'll find an interview with a mastering engineer who recommends it!
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 18:22
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On 2009-11-14 11:16, Speakafreaka wrote:
In fact, working with 24 bit VSTs in a 24 bit mix in practical terms pretty much eliminates any noise floor issues you may have.
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This is very true, however it is worth pointing out that if you use any external equipment (synths, FX etc) then working with 24 bit is no guarantee of fixing noise floor issues. Gain staging becomes paramount. |
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 04:36
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On 2009-11-14 11:16, Speakafreaka wrote:
bit depth and noise floor.
Approximately:
on 16bit mixes, you have 96dB of headroom to play with.
on 24bit mixes, you have 144dB of headroom to play with.
So, if you are working in 24bit, (which you should be ) , in the box, if your mix were to peak at exactly -48dB, then you would have exactly the fidelity of CD. At volumes higher than this, you get better than CD quality.
My CDs in my collection sound good with 96dB headroom. Dropping a few DB away from 0 in a 24bit mix really won't hurt your mix. In fact, working with 24 bit VSTs in a 24 bit mix in practical terms pretty much eliminates any noise floor issues you may have.
Mixing into a Compressor on the master bus - can be great - I always do: here is an article on it.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may08/articles/mixcompression.htm
carefully is the word here. Mastering engineers may hate you for it, but it is a well respected and researched technique. Even if you have no intention of ever using it, the article is worth a read. Indeed, in this article at the bottom of the page, you'll find an interview with a mastering engineer who recommends it!
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cheers for the link , great stuff! |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 05:02
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On 2009-11-14 11:16, Speakafreaka wrote:
bit depth and noise floor.
Approximately:
on 16bit mixes, you have 96dB of headroom to play with.
on 24bit mixes, you have 144dB of headroom to play with.
So, if you are working in 24bit, (which you should be ) , in the box, if your mix were to peak at exactly -48dB, then you would have exactly the fidelity of CD. At volumes higher than this, you get better than CD quality.
My CDs in my collection sound good with 96dB headroom. Dropping a few DB away from 0 in a 24bit mix really won't hurt your mix. In fact, working with 24 bit VSTs in a 24 bit mix in practical terms pretty much eliminates any noise floor issues you may have.
Mixing into a Compressor on the master bus - can be great - I always do: here is an article on it.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may08/articles/mixcompression.htm
carefully is the word here. Mastering engineers may hate you for it, but it is a well respected and researched technique. Even if you have no intention of ever using it, the article is worth a read. Indeed, in this article at the bottom of the page, you'll find an interview with a mastering engineer who recommends it!
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Great advice!
Thanks
"Typically, a stereo compressor setup with a low ratio such as 1.5:1 or 2:1, and a medium attack and medium release, is a great starting point for mix-bus compression. Begin by setting the threshold to give a minimal amount of gain reduction, perhaps -1 to -3 dB. When you're experimenting with bus compression for your mixes, set the make-up gain so that the level of the processed signal matches the level of the unprocessed signal as closely as possible. This way, when you are in the middle of a mix you can bypass the compressor and hear what the compression is doing to your mix. Although having the right compressor settings for mix-bus compression is important, you don't want to be adjusting the settings in the later parts of the mix. The best thing to do is to get a feel for what the mix is going to be about early on, set the bus compressor then, and leave it be. Any changes that you make to the compressor settings later will change the internal mix balances."
Any other settings for psytrance? or is this a good starting point?
And any preferable compressors for this job?
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 12:10
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A sutle starting point on a empty mix makes perfect sense right? when you progress through the track U shall be increasing/decreasing it or "balancing it" u could end up with 5:5 as a result,,experiment carefully on this one.
it makes perfect sense tho to start off with the comp rather than throwing it on the mix when it's finished.
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 12:13
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What are the best comps for mixing onto the main buss?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 17:41
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Ideally I wanna have about 3dB of headroom on the final (unprocessed) mix. The mastering engineer will sort the rest out and they like a bit of heardroom to do their thing.
For playing tunes out that have not been properly mastered yet, I just put a subtle transparent compressor with a very low ratio (like 1.5:1) and slow(ish) attack and release. About 4-5 dB of gain reduction sound enough to me ears. Then put a limiter and a multimeter on to get to about -9dB RMS. Its not loud like a proper mastering studio will have it sound, but it don't sound too squashed and there are them gain knobs (surprise!) on every DJ mixer, to make up for it.
The mastering studio will sort it all out for me proper when its time to release.
 
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 17:45
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Interesting, so what are good comps that suit the main channel,unlike individual channels.
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Nectarios
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