Djones
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 12:14
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On 2012-12-27 10:28, Lucidity wrote:
The kick is a sample.
Which sample is it?
Should I be looking in my Vengeance audio folders?
PoM
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 12:18
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@PoM : Yea I always tend to mix my stuff with too much mids.. bad habit.. if i drop the mids a bit on the bass then the kick will come up
i dont know if muddy is the right word there but yes something is wrong in the mix
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 13:23
I feel too that bottom end is a bit weak if i compare yours to that Fegma&Nerso track. Maybe you should cut bass higher and add Waves maxxbass kind of effect to low end, and Kick too it need deeper hit i think, maybe adding bx boom or something similar could help.. Or trying different sample. Also take a look at 200-300hz area, it can eat the power from bottom end if they run freely wild with no control. If you need more warmness i would add it using 500-600hz area more than 200-300hz area.
One thing i noticed from that Flegma&Nerso track that my dBfs meter is jumping quite big even the highest peak is quite high, so it shows how well everything is cutted and adjusted with dynamic process tools.
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Lucidity
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 22:16
Ok well I checked that track today on a Community Rig (Community SBS22 subs and Community Entasys 3-Ways on Lab gruppen amps), and there is still waaay too much bottom end.. I added a -3db low shelf at about 120hz and a slight dip at 250hz.. now its good ..maybe a drop at about 80hz or so too*
@Djones : Nah its not part of the Vengeance kits hey.. was some random pack that I got
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Posted : Dec 28, 2012 00:16
bla bla bla bla, so much shit chat, and in the end all it matters its Low End Eq acuracy and nice punch
i use zebra 2 by the way, but i could do the same with any other
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Posted : Dec 28, 2012 13:35
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On 2012-12-28 00:16, Ricciardo wrote:
bla bla bla bla, so much shit chat, and in the end all it matters its Low End Eq acuracy and nice punch
Agreed that, already in a previous page.
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i use zebra 2 by the way, but i could do the same with any other
You use Zebra for EQ, compression, Kick Or Bass?
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As guys say you do not need a CompressorMB, Eq need more you kick, take a bit to 250Hz with a short resonance in a "V" and also on notice as 500hz and gives more space to the bass, and begin playing more rolling deep, the kick is very important in the production you leave a good release to have at the bottom a thickness boomy, the bass in the mix is cut from 40 to 60 hz in my opinion to give space to kick it is very good idea to work with Sylenth since in its module can determine how much is needed to run the bass, also used "Waves MaxxBass" but that is just to give space to the low original, and a compressor with sidechain, Eq between the bass and the kick is important to remember that not many levels to climb debese frequencies is better lowered, and also noticed that in your head you need more reverb in such atmospheres Rave (So I call him) by giving a large space and sends back asia ara frequencies inecesarias that your kick and deeper bass sound better,
I leave my Soundcloud listens hopefully help you.
information and put you in my language, Latin Spanish.
Como te dicen los chicos, no necesitas un CompressorMB, necesita mas Eq tu kick, quitarle un poco a 250hz con un resonancia corta en forma de "V" y tambien en 500hz y notaras como le da mas espacio al bass, y empezara a sonar mas rolling deep, el kick es muy importante en la produccion debes dejar un buen release para que tenga en la parte baja un grosor que retumbe, el bass en la mezcla se corta entre 40 a 60 hz en mi opinion para darle el espacio al kick, es muy buena idea trabajar con Sylenth ya que en su modulo puedes determinar cuanto es que se necesita hacer correr el bass, usa tambien "MaxxBass de Waves" pero que sea poco para darle el espacio al bajo original, y un compressor con Sidechain, la Eq entre el bass y el kick es importante, recuerda que no debese subir muchos niveles a las frecuencias es mejor bajarlas, y tambien noto que en tu pista te hace falta mas Reverb en atmosferas tipo Rave (Asi yo le llamo) por que da un espacio grande y manda asia atras frecuencias inecesarias eso ara que tu kick y bass suenen mejor mas profundo.
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Posted : Jan 9, 2013 23:02
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As guys say you do not need a CompressorMB, Eq need more you kick, take a bit to 250Hz with a short resonance in a "V" and also on notice as 500hz and gives more space to the bass, and begin playing more rolling deep, the kick is very important in the production you leave a good release to have at the bottom a thickness boomy, the bass in the mix is cut from 40 to 60 hz in my opinion to give space to kick it is very good idea to work with Sylenth since in its module can determine how much is needed to run the bass, also used "Waves MaxxBass" but that is just to give space to the low original, and a compressor with sidechain, Eq between the bass and the kick is important to remember that not many levels to climb debese frequencies is better lowered, and also noticed that in your head you need more reverb in such atmospheres Rave (So I call him) by giving a large space and sends back asia ara frequencies inecesarias that your kick and deeper bass sound better,
I leave my Soundcloud listens hopefully help you.
information and put you in my language, Latin Spanish.
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Sounds nice, could you get more specific about the reverb?
I get more and more satisfied with my bass in the last 2 month after I found out that I have to pluck my bass sound in order to achieve this certain sound and until now I would agree that right eq and a little bit of sidechain and velocity + right note lenght (and different too) are 90% of nice pounding kick/bass combination (of course kick and bass sound have to fit first in the beginning) but there is something missing.. my basses just don't sound so wide...and this has to be able to fix without Maxxbasswide or whatever these plugins are called
How much is mastering involved in those prog sounds? Sometimes artists posted unmastered tracks on their soundcloud and even without mastering they sound really nice and bass is full and wide
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Posted : Jan 9, 2013 23:10
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How much is mastering involved in those prog sounds? Sometimes artists posted unmastered tracks on their soundcloud and even without mastering they sound really nice and bass is full and wide
mastering, it s the icing on the cake , it s 90% about the mix for really good result
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 00:17
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On 2013-01-09 23:10, PoM wrote:
mastering, it s the icing on the cake , it s 90% about the mix for really good result
Ah thats quiet relaxing to hear that somebody can achieve a clean sound without that
I just tried a reverb on on my lower freqs under 100hz and after that I put a device to make it mono again...the bass sound somehow cleaner now, A/B listening without the reverb the bass sounds bumby but with, it's cleaner and defined nearly like in prog tracks..or maybe just because the room sets the lows somehow in background? also the multiband in the mids is a nice trick to make the mids fatter....but as my room is not prepared my monitors maybe lie to me (mostly when its about bassfreqs), on headphones I always get the truth but not at hand right now
Just wondering is it really kbbb?
I suspected this pattern, but also k-bb in lots of tracks, now I just dont get those kbbb to sound really nice rolling as the first b sounds so wrong all the time...changing note lenght and velocity I expect?
Great threat anyway, don't really want to copy prog artists, but the kick/bass is just too nice and just "standart" sound, but lots of fx samples e.g get more and more stale to me there you have to make your own or search for some new to take this sound onto another level
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Posted : Jan 10, 2013 00:43
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Just wondering is it really kbbb?
I suspected this pattern, but also k-bb in lots of tracks, now I just dont get those kbbb to sound really nice rolling as the first b sounds so wrong all the time...changing note lenght and velocity I expect?
i'm just a noob but sometimes i wonder if the pattern of the low part of the bass is the same as the mid ones. k_bb for low and kbbb for mids
