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billy ambulance
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 19, 2003 17:04
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allways,
It's part of any musical creation  in my case anyway
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jul 19, 2003 18:58
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ditto to Trip-
but there are plenty of professional musicmakers out there who dont know either, it doesnt matter if it sounds good
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 12:21
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solliptic... i don't know any professional musicians like this....even in the trance/techno scene.
can you point them out ?
it is interesting.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 12:26
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i was askin it because of the frequencies of the bass. most of the tracks are based on single note bass who runs all the track.
so.. how do ya choose your note?
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 13:38
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About key, imo its important, but some of the greatest blues players ever didn't know what is Aminor and they still are legends ( take Muddy Waters for example )
About 'keying' the bass here some interesting info for anyone that is looking for 
A = 55hz
A# = 58hz
B = 62hz
C = 65hz
C# = 69hz
D = 74hz
D# = 78hz
E = 82hz
F = 87hz
F# = 93hz
G = 98hz
G# = 104hz
All of this is for the first Octave, and seek the full list...
From this u can see that the 'punchiness' of the bass is very much upon the basic frequency that the bass is running on.. 50 hz is a bit low for most of the bases and there fore they might sound a little dirty there.. 104hz is a little high and there will be not enough punchy low end in the bass... etc.. etc..
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Mike A
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Posted : Jul 20, 2003 19:09
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Those B's and C's are great for deep basses
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 00:41
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nice info guys, very helpful 
if my bass goes to B= 62 Hz, and my kick is made from a 60 hz sine, isn't it going to be a problem with so close frequency range ? 
better eq or try using another kick with different freq ?
Thanks,
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 01:18
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On 2003-07-20 12:21, bilbobagginz wrote:
solliptic... i don't know any professional musicians like this....even in the trance/techno scene.
can you point them out ?
it is interesting.
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well take for example Ed Ozric. he comes out with pretty much the best melodies I have EVER heard, in such amazing modes (scales). One particular favourite mode I have "borrowed" from the ozrics is to play the harmonic minor scale of the fourth above your key note (so if you're in G use a C min scale), which gives you:
1, flat 9, maj 3, 4, 5, sharp 5, b7, 1
quite an advanced mode! so i always assumed they were really knowledgeable musicians with jazz training and shit... but then i read in an interview that Ed has had no guitar lessons ever, no music lessons ever, and cannot read or write music.
as for producers of dance music i know there are many with no musical training, i dont know enough about the psytrance scene to know which psy producers this might include, sorry.
as for the original question (as it turned out to be), thats an interesting one. i always noticed that i found it hard to get decent bass when I am in keys like A, so this is great info from Yuli, explains a lot.
Psytotem - yeah, try a different kick. if you have a super deep bass you can use a somewhat higher kick, fitting above the bassline.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 04:17
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Oooops I forgot
To get the full table... u have to double those numbers to get to the following octave... meaning ---->
'A' from the second octave will be worth 55 * 2 = 110hz... and so on
good luck
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 06:46
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and another important tip for us Trance music makers, don't ever do tracks on the same keybote all the time, or else they might sound the same - psychologically.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 11:21
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Actually, Trance is probably one of the very few genres in music, that makes it possible to make a whole track with the same note.. I, personally would prefer more musically 'daring' tracks.. But.. Since the fact that a lot of filtering is done on sounds, which actually makes whole new frequencies ---> hense whole new notes from the same sound... and also the use of percussions that many times tuned to other note or scale, makes it possible to write a track on the same note.
Again, I mentioned it only as a quite interesting phenomena, surely not as a suggestion
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 13:33
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in my youth I played psy-rock with friends and because we didnt know what we r going to play and because of the sweet  , we played mostly on one note..
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 13:35
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KosMos
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Posted : Jul 21, 2003 15:16
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polyphony and scales (i'm not sure if this is the correct word in English) is something i always try to add to my tracks and is something i love in music.
you can have a key note for the bassline and mainly follow this note for musical sounds (although percussions and even hats may show to you their notes if you have a good ear)...
but for one key note there are more notes that "stick" well and give a great result.. this is all based on rules for scales(?) in music. i don't know how to say it in english but anyone with music knowledge will understand what i'm saying and explain it better..
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