slavagrisha
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 17:48:29
Hey guys.
Most psytrance artists have a 'sound' or certain 'feel' to their tracks right?
Skazi has that kick sound, kindzadza has his computer sounds and glitch shit ect. You can tell when a certain sound comes in, that its a certain artist.
But what if you make 2 different tracks that dont sound right? They sound like different artists have made them and they are not consistent. And they dont mix well together... And couldent be 'on the same album'
Should you use a different kick for each track in your album to eliminate phaseing while mixing?
What about keeping 'your' sound together?
How to define 'your' sound?
How to keep consistency while making your album?
I would like to hear your input on this one, cheers guys
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 20:20
For me, it's been about creating all the songs on the album in generally the same time frame - not meaning it takes me the same amount of time to complete each song, but - let's say you have your album you want to complete - this is pretty hard to explain I guess.
Let's say in the beginning of a year, you're working on your album, and you're thinking "this is awesome. this is great." then for some reason you stop for a couple weeks or months, then you come back to the album.
Maybe even during this time you've started listening to different music and different artists. When you come back to creating the album, you're gonna start seeing and using other music production techniques like let's say you start really liking using a lot of distortion, and your sound will change.
This isn't a bad thing, but it won't make your album sound 'together' on the stylistic level.
Like when I started listening to 1200 Mics, that awesome sound influenced me, and I was like damn, I want to do stuff like that.
My 'album' is about to come out, or at least a bunch of MP3s that were supposed to be on the same 'album.'
And then there's the point where you have to just let it go and say it's done.
Maybe part of it as well is having some kind of idea for the album before you start. That is something the people on Isra told me to do when I was like half done - having a story to make the songs to, or something of that sort. This way you can't really go wrong.
naretir
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 20:20
yeah cool topic slavagrisha
some insight on this would be kewl..
There is also (obvious) differences between 2 albums from the same artist.
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Medea
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 20:39
imho, just making tracks, without taking care about how they fit, is a better way. When you have enought tracks, you can just select ones which will fit each other and make an album
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 20:43
We just put in the tunes that we like the most...our second album, "Darjeeling Express" had tunes ranging from 136 to 145. Some were overly progressive and spacious, some were quite busy and fast.
We don't really worry about trying to have our sound, although by not using any presets and making every single synth sound/kick/bassline, from scratch, it helps to avoid sounding like someone else from the preset brigade.
As people and musicians/producers, we grow every day and eventually it will come to us naturally, instead of us "trying" to sound like something that people can identify, before we even start making a tune.
I don't find fun in trying to force the music, I prefer letting the music carry me where it wants to and just enjoy the ride.
willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 20:50
IMO psytrance doesn't benefit from this 'consistent' approach, and contributes to the throw-away nature of a lot of releases these days....so disappointing when I listen to an album and all the tracks sound the same, or follow the same framework etc...
naretir
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 22:06
Quote:
On 2010-06-19 20:50, willsanquil wrote:
IMO psytrance doesn't benefit from this 'consistent' approach, and contributes to the throw-away nature of a lot of releases these days....so disappointing when I listen to an album and all the tracks sound the same, or follow the same framework etc...
Well i agree on that.. a whole psy album should not sound the same all the way through.
But i guess in progressive albums i still hear some kind of red thread through it. although it changes in themes, atmospheres and keys..
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Sanathana
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 00:07
My album that is about to be released called PUPPETS has tunes ranging from 85 BPM - 180 BPM
Mixture of Ethnic / Fusion / Ambient / Night Psy / Dark / Forest / Fullon and Goa
I personally think an Album is an artists showcase which means he / she has the liberty to showcase his / her style in psychedelic music in all forms. I dont think artists should limit themselves to one style of BPM.
Tracklist:
01. I found the matrix (Psy Dub / Fusion / Ambient)
02. DMT: Dharma Mantra Taal (Dub / Fusion / Chill)
03. Tricky Human Evolution (Progressive Psy / Groovy)
04. A waltz to elsewhere (Psychedelic Waltz / Night Psy)
05. Bedtime Stories (Story Telling Night Psy)
06. Ayahuasca Puppets (Twilight / Twisted Fusion / Night Psy)
07. In love with a droid (Techno Influenced Psy)
08. Unclean spirit (Dark / Night Psy / Horror Psy)
09. Sprzen Mozak (Fried Brain) (Melodic Fullon - Morning)
10. Circus Freak (Psycore / Dark / High BPM)
1 min samples can be heard here :
So as i personally feel, artists can combine various styles of psy in one to produce an album. I think it is also great for buyers / listeners of the music to have various styles in one album.
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 10:35
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On 2010-06-19 20:43, disco hooligans wrote:
I don't find fun in trying to force the music, I prefer letting the music carry me where it wants to and just enjoy the ride.
imo music should speak for itself, so an artist is only the instrument..... for many out there it´s just a ventile they let there agressions, frustrations or other kind of emotions out through. this is what the audience usually gets. the emotional desaster of someoneelse dont get me wrong, i like that, because its amazing how ppl create that monstrous emotional impact on someone else and let you feel the same pain i.e. as oneself did or does. so, sure this is awesome, but i love to observe were music will carry you, if you allow it to speak for itself and not for you...
weired frensh i know, just my thoughts about it.
enjoy the ride, well said.
to the topic, dunno. im too no fan of this consistency. imo a psychedelic story wont benefit from this. you cant tell a forwarding story if you use the same content or the same structure all time again and again. on the other side, the usual audience is familiar with that and will expect that. i can really nice observe that here locally around how deep ppl are used to a specific style or genre. they want all time the same, consistent bpm, consistent genre, dropping bpms for few beats they get totally out of there cosmic mission.....
well, at the end i dont care, because i simply dont do that for others. just keep your thoughts, work on music and dont think about it. it will take you somewhere no one knows and you will enjoy observing that. dont care on stlye or genre or consistency or stuff. your own style will completely develop on its own, so no need to care about. just give it some time and enjoy that time. the more you think about, the more time it will take....
dj chichke
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 12:54
i think when you working on a track you should have some stroy. and stick to it in a way. even if the i idea is to have crazy track without consistency, so consist with the no conisstency. i hope you understood me about the connection between each track, i don't realy care. for me each track is new track.
drucdrac
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 16:05
minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 17:46
Everytime Im starting an album I get some new lead sounds sorted and use almoust allways he same hi hats. The kick n bass combo is allways the same only with diferent EQ and I also keep almoust allways on the same root note but what I think that does the trick best is what Obelizk sugested at first: do it at the shortest time scale possible so that it caught's you with the same spirit and emotions.
Try not to worry to much with levels and dynamics, focus on creation until you got a reasonable amount of songs to call it an album and them mix them 1 by 1 with more time.
Hope I could help.
All the best.
Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 21, 2010 02:09
Willsanquil,
I don’t thing it was about how to make every track sound the same.
Like in CPC’s “Subliminal Messages”, every track is different but you can kinda recognize that they are written by the same author. Well, there are some people here that will say all darkpsy sounds the same – but you know what I mean. Anyway, there is style consistency there. It’s an album – not a “look what I can produce” compilation.
I am afraid I’ll get banned if I mention “Daze of Our Life” one more time but this is another great example. The tracks are different but they somehow belong to the same album. Even more than that – and maybe I am just imagining this – I think they fit in this album in this particular order (whereas “Subliminal Messages” can get shuffled and nobody will mind). So, the tracks are like movements in a sonata. You can play each movement separately. Each of them has a different style. But they all belong to the same piece of music – in that particular order. You may or may not recognize the composer’s “signature” style in that sonata but it still will be a unified piece.
Like Pink Floyd’s albums – each one is like a book and each song is just a chapter. Doesn’t mean all Floyd’s songs sound the same. Or even songs on the same album.
Argh, a novel again – and not a very good one... I am sure Kazuku will show up tomorrow and express the same thing in 1 sentence...
dont get me wrong, i like that, because its amazing how ppl create that monstrous emotional impact on someone else and let you feel the same pain i.e. as oneself did or does. so, sure this is awesome, but i love to observe were music will carry you, if you allow it to speak for itself and not for you...
