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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 01:13
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Also would apreciate if somebody can tell if this http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/21420846/file.html is grooving and pumping nicely on your headphone/monitors/whatever (also its quite, sry) so that I don't waste time because my room is fooling me, thanks
it's nice, especially the bass. the cutoff of the bass sounds like it's a bit lower than usual but i like it and usually do something similar, it leaves more space for low-mids of the leads that way. the kick imho doesn't quite fit the bass (but then agan my own room has fooled me more than once) but it's ok and nothing that a bit of eq couldn't fix. just wildly guessing now: a small cut in the area of 400-600 hz and a small boost at the first harmonic could be enough, but again, that's just a wild guess
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 16:13
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I love ultrabeat's env world and ace options for kicks I think nothing more needed especially with Ace there is room for unique kicks but with ultrabeat evenlopes its a fast fun.
Just wondering about the out of grid setting of bass?
Is this really a common technique or rather rare? Is it standard by kbbb?
by K-b- umpa basses it surely gives a noticable different groove when playing with out of grid settings but I think on full on basslines it's better to keep the notes straight on the grid and eventually drift a bit with attack but not sure here.
Any enlightment very welcome..
I keep it on the grid.It is pumping but still not satisfied with the rolling groove completely and I design my kicks when bass plays push the sweetspots of envelopes so it matches the mood, but still it lacks of something and have too often the feeling it's not rolling enough. Im comin nearer but still not really satisfied with my psy kbbb combos.
I think umpa basslines aren't that hard but kbbb is much harder to achive a pumping machine groove.
So here is an example of what I am currently sitting at, in my room it's pumpy and groovy maybe somebody can judge this?
the notes are VERY slightly (1-2 ticks) out of the grid) and have track delay nearer to kick some ms, there is subbass track with trackdelay 2ms later and ofc velocity is involved linked to volume and cutoff
might be pretty quiet as I mix at about -10/-9db for the kick
edit: oi, somebody got tips on triplets (
:S pls I like them and they bring some nice change and are perfect as little break in between for dancing and as transition and introduction of new elements)
Good job bro, a bit cleaner eq could make it even tighter.Kick could have a bit longer bigger bottom end maybe but sitting right now in kitchen with monitors on the ground ^^ Rolling nice. I like!
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 19:01
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Also would apreciate if somebody can tell if this http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/21420846/file.html is grooving and pumping nicely on your headphone/monitors/whatever (also its quite, sry) so that I don't waste time because my room is fooling me, thanks
it's nice, especially the bass. the cutoff of the bass sounds like it's a bit lower than usual but i like it and usually do something similar, it leaves more space for low-mids of the leads that way. the kick imho doesn't quite fit the bass (but then agan my own room has fooled me more than once) but it's ok and nothing that a bit of eq couldn't fix. just wildly guessing now: a small cut in the area of 400-600 hz and a small boost at the first harmonic could be enough, but again, that's just a wild guess
Well i started eqing the kick with your tip...how did you know?..I guessed then that these are the more woody freqs which clouden the kick sound? because I dipped at about 430 and the kick cleary becomes more defined in my ears, nothing more needed thou, other dips did nothing really good to the sound
also eqed the bass now and bus compression
thanks for the feedback anyway, the last days gave me some more enlightenment
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 10:26
Since we are talking about particular artists. Just throwing a few words from the horses mouth.
I have had a discussion with Ace once about his basslines and he mentioned using ESM (logic) and Sylenth1. Also all his work is in the box and uses no hardware synths. This is what I know from him as of 2011.
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 11:47
I would have guessed so as the music is very clean sounding which is true for the whole genre so I guess hardware isnt widely spread there
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Since we are talking about particular artists. Just throwing a few words from the horses mouth.
I have had a discussion with Ace once about his basslines and he mentioned using ESM (logic) and Sylenth1. Also all his work is in the box and uses no hardware synths. This is what I know from him as of 2011.
esm still one of the best psytrance bass synth ever to me . it just sound right in term of caractere..raw no veiled polished sound
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Posted : Feb 1, 2013 18:31
Hey guys...I am reading all the post.
I use bazzism to make the KICK...
I see on some musics the kick having a PEAK in 50 HZ....I change all parameters off bazzism and the kick always have the peak in 62 HZ...anybody have a suggestion?
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Hey guys...I am reading all the post.
I use bazzism to make the KICK...
I see on some musics the kick having a PEAK in 50 HZ....I change all parameters off bazzism and the kick always have the peak in 62 HZ...anybody have a suggestion?
in music any root note will do man
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Posted : Feb 1, 2013 20:39
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Hey guys...I am reading all the post.
I use bazzism to make the KICK...
I see on some musics the kick having a PEAK in 50 HZ....I change all parameters off bazzism and the kick always have the peak in 62 HZ...anybody have a suggestion?
Well, it depends on what version of bazzism you have. In older versions, the "Fend" parameter would adjust this, so if it was peaking at 62 hz you would expect the Fend parameter to be set to 62 hz. This is how you would tune your kick, find out the frequency of your basslines root note in hz and set the fend to that.
In the newest version of bazzism however you just move the MIDI note that's triggering bazzism to the same root note as your bassline and it should change accordingly.
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Posted : Feb 2, 2013 15:36
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On 2013-02-01 18:31, gabfavaro wrote:
Hey guys...I am reading all the post.
I use bazzism to make the KICK...
I see on some musics the kick having a PEAK in 50 HZ....I change all parameters off bazzism and the kick always have the peak in 62 HZ...anybody have a suggestion?
Since in my opinion every Bazzism kick needs some fine adjustment using some kind of EQ (besides the envelop eq in Bazzism itself) you could also boost the frequencies you need using this external device. Pretty easy.
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Posted : Feb 2, 2013 16:47
I make proggi bass like layering off beat note then add mono deley on the bass track in 1/16 about 42-48% feedback and 55-60% mix via cubase mono delay. sorry my english
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Posted : Feb 3, 2013 00:38
that's quite a lot of feedback. doesn't it bleed over to the next kick, or do you compress the shit out of it sidechained to the kick?
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lets bring this to the frontpage again
so I was meddling with offbeat again as I want to make a track with lots of selfsynthesized fx to implement the things I've learnd so far, but now the bass is not that good as I thought before, not satiesfied anymore
I managed to get the kickdrum tight with bazzism and kickdrum sculping similar to what psylocybian did in one of his videos, but the bass is missing something, so in order to have a reference in neat production I load up this into ableton:
to compare the kick/bass combo...now for the groove nothing special there and no overlapping, but the bass waveform is a really a nice fading triangle (rotated through 90° ofc) and when I compare it to my bassline waveform its either block-like or something similar to a triangle and both are not really nice fading into the kick again
so I thought this is maybe because of a compressor(bring out transients-> gets triangle form), but I don't get how to set this up to get a fading triangle form, attack until the transient peaks out loudest? then release to taste?
or the adsr filter maybe not well enough? but no matter what, I can't come close so that both sits tight together
so what to look at? adsr filter env or compressor or shouldnt I look at the waveforms because it tells not enough about how some things sound and it mastered anyway
I dont know if anyone has mentioned this to you yet but youtube has vids everywhere of various ways of doing things.
You can use ANYTHING for bass, u dont need hardware, u dont need a virus etc.
I usually use cronox 2 for rolling bass, Sylenth for bendy bass. A lot of people use trilian but i find it frustrating and finnicky like trilogy.
I even use IL harmour and Harmless sometimes!
Its all about EQ my friend. I suggest you download yourself an EQ chart like this one
then for what key u are in look at the corresponding frequencies. Now dont use the lowest bcos the kick will be in there from 100/50/Hz down. Also dont boost by much on every freq either. Some it wont sound good. U should make a notch on your selected eq and boost right up and sweep across the bass/mid spectrum very slowly to hear the muddy / yuk freqs. U will notice they also sound out of tune. So when u find this then a small cut under the 0db line. Usually its around 200Hz somewhere. When u get better at hearing and seeing it then put ur kick eq and ur bass eq side by side and look at the spectrum. Try to make sure they are not interfering with each other. Also try not to have a mega bassy kick and a mega bassy bass at the same time or it will be unclear and drown out your track. One or the othe and this will usually compliment the other.
I am still learning too mate. Its a long process and I really recommend research it or u will do silly things like me ( trying to hear the bad freqs under the 0db line whilst sweeping through the spectrum Haha
there is also some courses people have posted and theyre quite good too. For Eg: PsiloCybian and andy vaxx
and lastly remember, Even if someone gave you their kick presets / wav and bass preset/ eq presets it would never sound the same. So much goes on after the process.
Compressors/ limiters/ saturation/ multi band dynamics. HJust find a method that works for you Hope this gives u a head start and if you knew all this already then im sorry for not reading thru the whole thread.
peace bruz
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Hello everybody..
I started making music in march 2013 and i really like it i got some serious problems with the bass...i use sylenth1 for my basses and sometimes the albino 3.
i read all the posts and try and try but i cant get it like i want. ok yes i know nobody makes perfect basslines after 1 month...but i want to do perfect bassllines after one month ...no just a joke. i layer 3 basses together...play little bit with the decay and the filter cutoff, but it dont gets that "pump"..
here is a "track" which i made, maybe you can help me how the bass sounds more epic.
