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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 15:45
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I lengthend the decay and sustain of the mid track now it sounds a little bit more flowing
I also used bazzism some times but what do I have to look for when I want to tune it to the bassline?
Is it just about adjusting the fundamental frequencies?
In my case now the kick sample is F# and so is my bassline
PoM: the kicks are quite fitting but yes some need to be processed but for progressive I think the Vengence House packs are just right(at least the minimal house), nevertheless if synthesizing with bazzism will melt kick and bass better together I will try that
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 15:52
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i think your kick was good but the bassline was maybe a bit in front in comparaison .
massive could be well suited for bass (and maybe kick ) in that style with his dense / meaty mids .. for leads too. and with the wavetable you can do lot of technoish sound. would probably use a lot that synth if i was making prog , with sylenth it would make a good combo |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 16:26
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On 2013-01-23 15:52, PoM wrote:
i think your kick was good but the bassline was maybe a bit in front in comparaison .
massive could be well suited for bass (and maybe kick ) in that style with his dense / meaty mids .. for leads too. and with the wavetable you can do lot of technoish sound. would probably use a lot that synth if i was making prog , with sylenth it would make a good combo
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I fixed that too I hope, but if I have problems with tuning kick and bass I could use bassizm, so tuning these two together is about the same or nearly same fundamental frequency, or is there anything else I need to concern?
Yeah i will dig some more in sylenth but within the next month I want to explore another synth that is not just basic saw, square, pulse etc.
fm synth for nice pads I read |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 17:30
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On 2013-01-23 15:52, PoM wrote:
i think your kick was good but the bassline was maybe a bit in front in comparaison .
massive could be well suited for bass (and maybe kick ) in that style with his dense / meaty mids .. for leads too. and with the wavetable you can do lot of technoish sound. would probably use a lot that synth if i was making prog , with sylenth it would make a good combo
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I fixed that too I hope, but if I have problems with tuning kick and bass I could use bassizm, so tuning these two together is about the same or nearly same fundamental frequency, or is there anything else I need to concern?
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to synthetize make it s easier yes to get the kick bass balanced/tuned right , but if you find right sample that fit well no need., with sampler you can tune the kicks too it may help.. but it degrade the sound if too much..
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On 2013-01-23 16:26, Fakso wrote:
Yeah i will dig some more in sylenth but within the next month I want to explore another synth that is not just basic saw, square, pulse etc.
fm synth for nice pads I read
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be sure to give a try to z3ta 2 aswell, after it s taste but i find the raw sound is good and you have access on lot of setting to shape waveforms and modulate them.. reallly impressed me what you can do with this. |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 20:06
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On 2013-01-23 17:30, PoM wrote:
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On 2013-01-23 16:26, Fakso wrote:
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On 2013-01-23 15:52, PoM wrote:
i think your kick was good but the bassline was maybe a bit in front in comparaison .
massive could be well suited for bass (and maybe kick ) in that style with his dense / meaty mids .. for leads too. and with the wavetable you can do lot of technoish sound. would probably use a lot that synth if i was making prog , with sylenth it would make a good combo
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I fixed that too I hope, but if I have problems with tuning kick and bass I could use bassizm, so tuning these two together is about the same or nearly same fundamental frequency, or is there anything else I need to concern?
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to synthetize make it s easier yes to get the kick bass balanced/tuned right , but if you find right sample that fit well no need., with sampler you can tune the kicks too it may help.. but it degrade the sound if too much..
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On 2013-01-23 16:26, Fakso wrote:
Yeah i will dig some more in sylenth but within the next month I want to explore another synth that is not just basic saw, square, pulse etc.
fm synth for nice pads I read
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be sure to give a try to z3ta 2 aswell, after it s taste but i find the raw sound is good and you have access on lot of setting to shape waveforms and modulate them.. reallly impressed me what you can do with this.
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yes thats my problem with samples sometimes, the sound is degrading too much.
nevertheless I started a kbbb track today with bazzism and the current result is quite satisfying also finally managed to get a bassline groove I am satiesfied with
I already tested the first z3ta but the layout and programming needs some time to learn I guess(had some problems with the mod matrix), but I agree the modulation of waves is crazy and gives lot of space for sounddesign |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 20:39
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It's really easy to tune kicks with bazzism. simply go to this site:
http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
and see what your root note of your bassline is in HZ.
Now, go into bazzism and set the "Fend" parameter as close as you can to that HZ.
A psykick is a pitch-swept sine wave, so the frequency that it starts and ends the pitch sweep at determines its note. so the fend/fstart parameters are the end/start of that sweep.
My workflow for kick/bass is to map their essential parameters to my midi controller and then tweak them both at the same time. bit of work on the kick, bit of work on the bass, bit of work on the kick, bit of work on the bass etc etc because the interaction between those two elements is crucial and people will often tweak the kick for a long time by itself or the bass a long time by itself.
also, remember to bounce the kick from bazzism and put it into a sampler once you're happy with the kick.
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 20:46
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On 2013-01-23 20:39, willsanquil wrote:
It's really easy to tune kicks with bazzism. simply go to this site:
http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
and see what your root note of your bassline is in HZ.
Now, go into bazzism and set the "Fend" parameter as close as you can to that HZ.
A psykick is a pitch-swept sine wave, so the frequency that it starts and ends the pitch sweep at determines its note. so the fend/fstart parameters are the end/start of that sweep.
My workflow for kick/bass is to map their essential parameters to my midi controller and then tweak them both at the same time. bit of work on the kick, bit of work on the bass, bit of work on the kick, bit of work on the bass etc etc because the interaction between those two elements is crucial and people will often tweak the kick for a long time by itself or the bass a long time by itself.
also, remember to bounce the kick from bazzism and put it into a sampler once you're happy with the kick.
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Ah thats what I meant with fundamental frequency, so fEnd and root note frequency have to be similar if not the same
edit: oh what about multiples of the root frequency, your posted site says F#0 is 23hz but my kick is 46hz, it sounds quite good in my ears but when I turn the kick to 23 it doesnt anymore, furthermore by bass has a first big bump at about 46 and not 23hz
Hm, I guess ableton has a wrong labeled piano roll, at least mine
Why necessary a sampler? I know that it's useful for basssynths that don't have retriggering osc's but a kick? or just to put pressure from cpu? |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 21:10
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oh, i forgot the caveat of making sure the Fend is above 30. you can't hear below 30 hz so just use F1 if F0 is too low etc.
ableton's piano roll is labeled fine 
A sampler is not 'necessary' but I find it very useful. firstly, you can adjust the velocity sensitivity to your liking and you can change the pitch of the kick by going up or down in MIDI note whereas bazzism gives you the same thing on every MIDI note.
Also, most samplers have a filter on them which are useful for doing roll/filter tricks and whatnot. Basically you get more control and 100% certainty that the kick is the same every time - though Bazzism has never been unstable in that regard for me and I'll often keep the kick in bazzism throughout a large portion of the project and only go back and drop it into a sampler when I'm ready to go to town on minor technical details
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 21:35
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On 2013-01-23 21:10, willsanquil wrote:
oh, i forgot the caveat of making sure the Fend is above 30. you can't hear below 30 hz so just use F1 if F0 is too low etc.
ableton's piano roll is labeled fine
A sampler is not 'necessary' but I find it very useful. firstly, you can adjust the velocity sensitivity to your liking and you can change the pitch of the kick by going up or down in MIDI note whereas bazzism gives you the same thing on every MIDI note.
Also, most samplers have a filter on them which are useful for doing roll/filter tricks and whatnot. Basically you get more control and 100% certainty that the kick is the same every time - though Bazzism has never been unstable in that regard for me and I'll often keep the kick in bazzism throughout a large portion of the project and only go back and drop it into a sampler when I'm ready to go to town on minor technical details
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alright definitly learnd alot today and a kbbb is finally rolling, onto the next step now:D |
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Djones
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 22:13
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On 2013-01-23 20:39, willsanquil wrote:
It's really easy to tune kicks with bazzism. simply go to this site:
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With the latest update Bazzism follows the key from C-2 to F1, thus making it even easier. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 00:02
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 00:05
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CH3CKM8
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 03:40
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 03:53
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For one, the kick is ~4-5 db lower than the bass. For them to groove off each other 'properly' they need to be more similar in volume.
Also, they don't seem to mesh well together, are they in key with each other??
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CH3CKM8
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 12:06
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Both are G. |
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