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just rambling....
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wavewinder
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Posted : Nov 22, 2009 21:30:51
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what year it is now.. 2009 going to be 2K10 in about a month? Surely sound synthesis has been in r&d for many decades now, many thousands and perhaps even million of people have studied audio engineering.. many big corporations have been, well, incorporated over the years... companies that are publicly traded.. that are peoples livelihoods... sound and synthesis is a pretty big business... ie. there is ultrasound.. time reverse acoustics... properties of sound that are unique.. when really in a way there is no such thing as sound.. it is only instructions on how to push and pull a membrane or some other physical device (supposedly lasers that heat and cool air can even achieve this) that results in vibration or wave/energy propagation through a fluid, in most cases only air... of course this is only one lens thru which to perceive sound and what it is... so anyways... it appears there is a basic "problem" with sound (ie. why mastering engineers have jobs) and hosts and synths as they are made available to the masses... and that is the more sounds we add to the mix.. the more muddy it gets and it takes more work to clean it up... one would have thought that, by now, there would be sonic environments that allow for the opposite, that is, the more sounds one adds into the mix.. the better and better it gets... the sounds just find their ways into the mix.. much like how an electron, not having any idea how complex the circuit may be, not ever having traveled that circuit before, will take the path of least resistance.... or that on Earth a soap bubble is a spherical shape... perhaps if physical matter were nestled in another dimension a soap bubble would be a tetrahedron or some other shape... just looking at some tracks that are 'professionally' produced really reveals waveforms that look a lot less like waves crossing an axis and more like spiraling around and about an axis.... mixes that are not achieved by summation (serial), rather that are forms and methods of embedding (parallel), multi tap delays that are non-linear... quantization to both rational and irrational data points (process driven, and where there is a process there must be a kernel from which it was forked) multidimensional LFOs that work like joints and inverse kinematic chains ie. heirarchical liking in 3D... so on and so on. it's just difficult to understand how many of the songs being produced are done with just square, saw and triangle waves and some eqing and filtering... sure with a ring modulator and some velocity triggering.. some sweeps of cutoff and volumes... one can achieve a nice raspy bass sound using the fundamental shapes... but then add some pads, snares, mids, leads, glitches all the fx and reverbs.. get them all moving and there will be almost nothing left of this nice bassy sound. mute all of those tracks.. and it's back.. nice and punchy.. every datapoint of the wave is falling inline at the right position with respect to the datapoint before it and after it so as to 'maintain the vacuum'... but unmute all of those tracks and the presence of these new datapoints does not permit the overall shape of that nice raspy bass to hold it's vacuum anymore. seeing that its almost 2k10 now its hard to imagine "they" havent figured this out by now... a way to mix in parallel so that , okay, we are hearing all of the sounds together.. but really... no one sound is ever touching the other sound.. ie. each sound is WRAPPED, neatly... think about it... AM and FM radio can carry entire songs to your car while your driving down the road... TCPIP can stream entire songs to your PC... how can there not be a way to wrap each sound in a mix in a neat little "space?" and we are not talking mixing and eqing here.. that would be an 'outside-in" approach... we are talking nestling, wrappping, dimesions and embedding.. an elegant inside-out approach. so this is just a big ramble on for some fun.. maybe some of you here have wondered or thought similar things... but in anything that is real... there really are no shortcuts.. there is really only hard work and usually some natural talent and "gifts" play a small role as well... but there are always the basics and fundamentals. the funny thing, song making could be made so high tech and so complicated with dimensions and mathematics... but wouldn't it be funny if none of that is necessary.. and really all we have to do is use our EARS.... just forget about what it looks like and go only with what it sounds like... from what i hear (no pun intended) we humans are capable of some pretty elegant and sophisticated parallel processing.. and we don't even have to be plugged in to the electrical socket  |
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Co-codamol
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Posted : Nov 22, 2009 21:32
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No one I can read that on my screen with out paragraphs. |
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makus
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Posted : Nov 22, 2009 23:09
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I'm not sure what the author took but I wouldn't recommend taking it with you while travelling abroad.
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bandarlog
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Posted : Nov 22, 2009 23:38
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I read the whole bunch and I'd guess on the following scenario on the author:
1. he took drugs with the plan to make music
2. failed because of muddy mix
3. needed to lay his egg and fast
4. went to isratrance
5. wrote this piece
6. went to see southpark/play ps3
7. ended up in bed with a spliff listening to tunes
j/k
He's got a point though. "auto-placement-in-the-mix" of sounds could be much more advanced by now lol.
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 00:15
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Mesca
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 00:19
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lol
in order to get self-discipline you have to step through
moments without any control...
äh what we are talking about? |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 00:46
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Word!
a few paragraphs wuold be nice to read without "gifts" but it is worth to write a book with that power interesting and nothing wrong init,but lots of golden output expression.Positive power ,enjoyed the inside info's.
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 01:08
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Wall of text puts me off. Please use carriage return!
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 17:41
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I feel you.
It would be also great if i could plug my brain into DAW and just orchestate the whole thing |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 19:01
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vipal
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 04:30
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heeh that helped me out in a mix i am working on. i tried to find in on the lower freqs of the drums but that hardly worked. hmm 2000-5000 will remember that one. thanks. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 04:54
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Yeah thanks for the advice Colin! will keep that in mind...
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Obelizk
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 09:50
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I read this, and it makes sense. What would be the difference in what you propose though, and cutting frequencies to have everything sit in the mix - each in its own frequency range?
Or is it just the idea that it would automatically work like that?
I say the future is holding a lot of new technology, but recently just thinking about 2001 The Space Odyssey. People thought we'd be traversing other galaxies by now. I wonder how long some of these technological advancements will take.
But then again - melodyne's direct note access was created that technology is completely amazing to me.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 10:45
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We dont need more technology!
I mean we have this mixing already, its called live acoustic music..(jamming)
You and i and some other dudes play our instruments parallel to eachother... Smooth! aint it? 
and it will all blend so well cause we can all adapt, listen in, listen out
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Suloo
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 11:13
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one could copy&paste it into a texteditor and make its own paragraphs...hehe
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