Specific venue is TBA, but for those who have been frequenting the outdoor socal parties lately; you may have an idea what to expect.
And as I always do with these events, I do want to let everybody know that this is a MIXED GENRE EVENT! Expect (Euro) Trance, House, Electro, Breaks, and much much more in addition to PSYTRANCE. But for those "purists" the Psytrance area will feature all Psytrance, all night long.
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Posted : May 26, 2009 23:46
i wish mixed genre events would push the envelope a little more and include some less stigmatized and more universal genres such as....disco (past or present)? jazz? funk? dub/dancehall/calypso? underground hip hop?!? why must such events only reach out to the raver and/or burner communities? wouldn't this help psytrance develop a more "classy" reputation, even, and draw better people in? nevertheless, go psytribe lads!
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i wish mixed genre events would push the envelope a little more and include some less stigmatized and more universal genres such as....disco (past or present)? jazz? funk? dub/dancehall/calypso? underground hip hop?!? why must such events only reach out to the raver and/or burner communities? wouldn't this help psytrance develop a more "classy" reputation, even, and draw better people in? nevertheless, go psytribe lads!
Wait, house/trance are "stigmatized" but DISCO isn't?! Disco is possibly the most stigmatized genre ever in the US!
Also, the kind of stuff 4 strings and denise/drc play definitely do not draw the "raver" crowd as much as, say, drum n bass or happy hardcore do.
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I do agree with you Dan. I think that if we mixed up our genres more we would see a lot more people discovering this music. This music would be taken a lot more seriously in the mainstream. I mean look at festivals like 'Coachella' which include almost any genre under the sun (although no psytrance and electronica is lacking). In these types of parties, people go to discover new music and new music types which they have not heard before. The fact that on each stage, you rarely have two similar acts following one another is a good thing I believe.
But on that note, I'm not sure including "Disco" is the answer. I mean I can appreciate oldschool vibes; but the real reason I go to a festival of any kind is to discover NEW music.
Personally I have had a new vision for a party (which I'd like to throw some day) which has been on my mind for some time. I would like to see tech/progressive (euro) trance/full-on on one stage, house/tech/funky/progressive(but the mainstream stuff moreso) on another stage, and then perhaps a third stage with tribal prog/"night" "pure" psytrance/chillout (later in the morning). I think that the mainstream trance scene has become somewhat of an offshoot from the mainstream rave and club scenes these days. And because of that, I think (especially in the full-on realm due to the musical similarities) we could really be branching out to these people who are already (euro) trance fans. Many of them have never heard Full-On before; which for many of them may be the only Psytrance they can relate to.
But it must be noted... Neo Sapiens has been one of the ONLY "rave" crews over the years to consistently support PSY and GOA TRANCE. Almost every Neo Sapiens party, big or small, features at least SOME psytrance mixed in with the other stuff. The main organizer for them (Philippe) attends just about every socal Psy event, and he is clearly pulling more of his ideas from this crowd these days (you might have even met him). I'm proud to be playing with these guys because they throw parties with the attitude of "the music comes first" instead of watering down their lineups to be more "commercial" like most of the "rave" scene does these days. Case to point, you have a hard time finding ANY trance at many parties now; in favor of Electro stages galore. Neo Sapiens parties always contain a wide variety of different music styles and encourage a unification of scenes rather than division. I hope that some people around here in our Psy scene can see past the glowsticks, and realize that these parties are thrown with good intent. Also, even if you don't like the other music at the party we'll be blasting PSYTRANCE all night long as I said.
I think that multi-genre electronica events (even if they don't include stuff outside of that realm) are a step in the right direction where music of all forms can be played side by side for the enjoyment of all.
I have to say I'm actually very pleased with the multiple genres I've been seeing at local PSY AND RAVE events lately here in socal.
And to RK9, I agree with you too. The music at these parties is a bit on the outside of the normal "rave scene." I would say 4strings is more of a "club" trance DJ these days. He would have been considered more raver back in his hay-day (2000 or so); but now this type of music sees more play time in the clubs. He's a really nice guy. Some of his trance is boring to be honest (it's the very melodic, long long break, oldschool sounding euro-trance); but I do prefer oldschool trance to much of the newer stuff. He has also been working on more tracks lately which sound more modern (and techie actually). If anything, I would say that the Neo Sapiens parties attract an "alternative" group of older school ravers. The new school "kiddie" ravers are all going to be at different parties that night. There are at least 2 other parties I know of (Sin City Thank You w/ LMFAO, and Illuminate) taking place that same night; and all of those are catering more towards the "kandy rave" scene. At the last Neo Sapiens party in fact, the PSYTRANCE room was the MOST POPULAR ROOM ALL NIGHT; EVEN WHEN THE HEADLINER WAS PLAYING (PSYTRANCE TOO) IN THE MAIN ROOM! While I was playing an epic 3.5 hour set, a few of the "main stage" DJ's walked into my room asking when they were supposed to start; naturally assuming that this had to be the main area (also the NICEST area). Case to point, it's not your typical rave.
So as I said, I do hope to see some of you there. I know a few of you made it out last time; and it was really great to see some familiar faces! And remember YOU make the scene!
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Posted : May 27, 2009 13:10
i guess you missed my point. my point was to NOT have exclusively electronic multi-genre events which only appeal to the limited (and drug ridden) club and rave sphere. maybe it's far fetched, but it's something to consider, for sure.
and mainstream 70s disco might be stigmatized, but i've heard some really cool old disco fusion and the sound has been incorporated into a lot of good music coming out today. check out DFA records. there's almost nothing more stigmatized than fast electronic music in present times, atleast here in the US. and disco in it's heyday actually made it to the mainstream. trance and edgier forms of electronic dance music have never been taken seriously by the general public. so what's your bias against disco?
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i guess you missed my point. my point was to NOT have exclusively electronic multi-genre events which only appeal to the limited (and drug ridden) club and rave sphere. maybe it's far fetched, but it's something to consider, for sure.
Which is what I said too. Reread my post. I was merely pointing out the fact that multi-genre electronic music events (vs one or two sub genres ONLY) are still a STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION towards total inclusiveness. As I pointed out with my example of Coachella, we already have music festivals that combine many many genres electronic and not. But it is clear that the electronic music selection at these events is lacking. What I would like to see is the merging of multi-genre electronic music events, and OTHER music events. But in this case, I would still want to hear lots of different types of electronica at the party (rather than just 1-2 forms) alongside the other stuff.
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and mainstream 70s disco might be stigmatized, but i've heard some really cool old disco fusion and the sound has been incorporated into a lot of good music coming out today. check out DFA records. there's almost nothing more stigmatized than fast electronic music in present times, atleast here in the US. and disco in it's heyday actually made it to the mainstream. trance and edgier forms of electronic dance music have never been taken seriously by the general public. so what's your bias against disco?
No bias against disco whatsoever. When you say "Disco" I'm thinking music from the 1970's. If there is NEW "Disco" then by all means let it get some play time. In the case of original Disco from the 70's, I wouldn't want to see this getting major party playtime simply BECAUSE I would much rather see NEW music than old stuff. I go to parties to hear NEW music which I have not heard before. The fresher the tracks, the better. So like I said, if somebody out there is still producing good disco, then sure it deserves some play time. But I wouldn't have our party scene turn into a relic celebrating the 1970's over and over again; that's how a scene becomes stagnant. I mean even in parts of the rave scene, they're still headlining people who haven't been active since around 2000. If you throw parties geared towards a particular time period in the past, sure it can be fun on occasion, but it doesn't work to progress the music scene into the future.
But please don't understand me. I'm not trying to single out any particular genre here. I'm actually just in favor of constantly new cutting edge music at all of my parties.
Also, it should be noted that TODAY electronic dance music is approaching the posterity that it once had with Disco. Raves, Clubs, and everything in between have become the "rock concert" of the new generation. So while in the past disco had been the only dance music to get real attention, you're not seeing the ELECTRO and TECH getting major attention even in the mainstream. Many mainstream acts (in hiphop, pop, or otherwise) are including aspects of electronic dance music in their tracks now as well. This has been the case for a number of years in Europe, however the United States is really just starting to embrace it. So I think that now more than ever, we can really start to appeal to a new breed of people. The problem however that I see is that you still see a very limited spectrum of this music making it out into the mainstream. In part, this is the fault of the major Club/Rave promoters who continually support a few certain types of music and artsits rather than trying to innovate with the inclusion of newer stuff. Case to point, huge massives like EDC are still hardly including Psytrance (Aside from christopher lawrence, john oo fleming, and infected mushroom). There are many people who I am sure once they hear the music will fall in love with it. The obstacle is getting them to hear it in the first place when the only events they attend are the most mainstream electronic dance music events. This is the case with many genres that don't usually get "main stage" at events like this. Moving into the future, I believe that EDM will be the driving force behind modern music here and around the world.http://www.soundcloud.com/djKAHN
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i guess you missed my point. my point was to NOT have exclusively electronic multi-genre events which only appeal to the limited (and drug ridden) club and rave sphere. maybe it's far fetched, but it's something to consider, for sure.
But someone who is not an electronic music fan can't tell the difference between psytrance, happy hardcore, IDM, drum and bass, house... it's all just "techno" to them and the fact that there are seperate scenes doesn't even come to mind.
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there's almost nothing more stigmatized than fast electronic music in present times, atleast here in the US. and disco in it's heyday actually made it to the mainstream.
The reason that 4-beat dance music is stigmatized is BECAUSE it sounds like disco!
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i guess you missed my point. my point was to NOT have exclusively electronic multi-genre events which only appeal to the limited (and drug ridden) club and rave sphere. maybe it's far fetched, but it's something to consider, for sure.
But someone who is not an electronic music fan can't tell the difference between psytrance, happy hardcore, IDM, drum and bass, house... it's all just "techno" to them and the fact that there are seperate scenes doesn't even come to mind.
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there's almost nothing more stigmatized than fast electronic music in present times, atleast here in the US. and disco in it's heyday actually made it to the mainstream.
The reason that 4-beat dance music is stigmatized is BECAUSE it sounds like disco!
that's a somewhat old notion that all of electronica gets grouped together. At one point it did sound similar enough that to average ears this was the case. But now with the plethora of sub-genres around; most people can at least tell the difference between different styles... even if they can't tell you what that difference is.
And it should be noted that House music came RIGHT out of disco. A lot of the funky (and some of the electro) house often sounds like new school disco. Eric Prydz (as a major player) produces very "disco" sounding House music.
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No bias against disco whatsoever. When you say "Disco" I'm thinking music from the 1970's. If there is NEW "Disco" then by all means let it get some play time....
I have your new disco right here:
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No bias against disco whatsoever. When you say "Disco" I'm thinking music from the 1970's. If there is NEW "Disco" then by all means let it get some play time....
I have your new disco right here:
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Pretty sweet para para routine there. Para para is kind of 2005 but I still love it for the uber otakuness of it all. Hinoi Team were definitely my favs (Asuka is so my girlfriend), followed closely by the hilarious antics of the Soran Happies (w/ Neko Hiroshi). I also have to give it up for my man Aaron Kwok for his epic choreography.
Psytrance has nothing on this shit.
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No bias against disco whatsoever. When you say "Disco" I'm thinking music from the 1970's. If there is NEW "Disco" then by all means let it get some play time....
I have your new disco right here:
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Pretty sweet para para routine there. Para para is kind of 2005 but I still love it for the uber otakuness of it all. Hinoi Team were definitely my favs (Asuka is so my girlfriend), followed closely by the hilarious antics of the Soran Happies (w/ Neko Hiroshi). I also have to give it up for my man Aaron Kwok for his epic choreography.
Psytrance has nothing on this shit.
Ironically, the last Neo Sapiens party; which was held at an arcade/fun park place had a Para Para Paradise arcade machine (among other music games). It served as a nice distraction when you needed a break from the sound. http://www.soundcloud.com/djKAHN
