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klippel
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 07:40
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hi there,
anybody nows about jomox synths like xbase 09, airbase or m-base for making phat psy drums? cause so far i'm not happy with my kicks and i thought maybe let's go hardware for the right beat? any other hardware recommandations welcome!!
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 11:20
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noooooooooo!
don't spend money on a hardware just because you have a hard time with software it'll be just the same.
This is a common mistake. Also I do like to have some hardware I do not recommend you to by one at first.
especially for kick this is not a necessity. I can assure you that most psy kick are made with software. There are many tutorial out there to make one.
this is like the infected method.
http://www.psymatix.com/kickdrum.html
or go to the infected website.
http://www.infected.co.il/futureCitySkin/pictures.php?parentCategory=Music%20Tutorials
there is also a vst called bassizm this one works pretty good. its easy to use and you are will not have a hard time doing a psy kick. since its a vst you will be able to tune to your bass.
also you can go to the nano records website they got two drum kit available to download. they both contain good psykicks
http://www.nanorecords.co.uk/media/
cheers , and good luck 
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Jerry
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 11:36
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also download andi vax' mixing secrets. Around 45ish minutes he starts explaining on how to create a good kick drum from a simple 60Hz sine wave.
In fact.. Watch the whole video! It's worth it!
http://forum.isratrance.com/andi-vax-mixing-secrets-video-tutorial/
It's easy to download kicks but in the end being able to make your own takes a lot of time but it's so much more worth it! |
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olivier
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 14:06
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On 2007-10-25 07:40, klippel wrote:
hi there,
anybody nows about jomox synths like xbase 09, airbase or m-base for making phat psy drums? cause so far i'm not happy with my kicks and i thought maybe let's go hardware for the right beat? any other hardware recommandations welcome!!
cheers
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On 2007-10-25 11:20, Seppa wrote:
noooooooooo!
don't spend money on a hardware just because you have a hard time with software it'll be just the same.
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definitly not true!
i got a xbase09 and it's much much better sound wise than any other samples nor vst.
great analog sound, warm and fat as hell
great kicks also but i think the kicks are more techno/house oriented
indeed if the issue is just about kicks, u may find better somewhere else if you are looking to make fast psytrance
but on the other hand if you search for fat snares, claps , hats, noize, rim shots , drums etc... then go for it, it's a f***ing great machine , also highly tweakable and that's what is nice about it beside the huge sound
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 14:08
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Jerry
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 14:38
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nice tutorial faxinadu!
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Axonic
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 17:39
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 22:52
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On 2007-10-25 14:06, Side-A wrote:
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On 2007-10-25 07:40, klippel wrote:
hi there,
anybody nows about jomox synths like xbase 09, airbase or m-base for making phat psy drums? cause so far i'm not happy with my kicks and i thought maybe let's go hardware for the right beat? any other hardware recommandations welcome!!
cheers
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On 2007-10-25 11:20, Seppa wrote:
noooooooooo!
don't spend money on a hardware just because you have a hard time with software it'll be just the same.
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definitly not true!
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If you he can't get a good sound out of the technics above than he's likely to have the same problem with hardware.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 26, 2007 09:00
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anyone know where can i find a jomox sample pack? or if you guys want to sample some kick and snares |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 26, 2007 10:41
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I have a Jomox airbase 99
I don't use it for Psy-trance. It has a wonderful kick but its quite hard to get that pitched down sound with it. Ive tried with the LFO modulating the pitch down with a downward saw but it just don't do it for me. I use my cheaper nova KS rack and mod with an envelope.
The snare is analogue as well but I prefer making my own snares by other means. The hats are 8 bit samples as in the 909 and 808 which run through HP & LP filters (analogue). I sometimes use them, but more often than not choose something else. After 15 years of listening to 909 hats u get bored, but thats just me though.
For house, electro and techno the airbase really does it for me but just hasn't for psy. Most digital synths/software can do psy kicks. I just find that a low pass filter afterwards is needed to take away some of the squelch.
The xbase as a piece of hardware can be really fun to use with its hands on control. Something software can struggle to offer. Redrum isn't bad though for on the fly programming.
@Klippel you didn't say what u been using so far. maybe someone here has got good kicks with what u got and can give u some specific pointers.
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klippel
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Posted : Oct 28, 2007 07:11
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hi guys and thanks for your replies so far,
i'm a bit late with answering but it's kinda hard to find internet in the nepalese mountains
@seppa, i've used bazzism, drumatic3, and the infected tutorial so far, but i could manage to get THE drum i like, it's easy with bazzism to get a nice psy kick, but i want a different sound. i played with multiband compression, eqing, and so on and so on.. but still. when i listen to old psy tunes like shiva chandra (auricular album) or
noosphere (radiated album) i am quite unhappy not to get such a punching analoguesounding killer kick.. these albums are from around 99ish so they are pretty sure not produced with vst's... nowwhataymean?
but maybe you're right and i'm not able to twek it right.. but i think you can get different sound aesthetics out of different sources but i haven't found the right?
@faxinadu, thanks for the tutorial, i'll check it a soon as i'm back home !!!
@jerry, downloaded the vid and will watch it when back from nepal, thx anyway for the tip!
@axonic, do you use the mbase for making psy or techno, cause i'm a bit worried the jomox stuff is more techno related and i want phat psy kicks and not techno sounds.. ?? could you sample some kicks and post upload them so i can see what it's like?? would really appreciate that... and jep you're absolutely right i don't want to use only samples
thank you for your replies and keep up answering please
still hardware (or software) recomandations are appreciated!!
cheers klippel
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 03:28
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hey man - I wrote a VST kick drum plugin - might do it for you - might not, but worth a go:
file is at
http://files.filefront.com/Psy+Kickdll/;7088381;/fileinfo.html
however, this is similar to the infected way of doing things.
I think if you are after that classic psy kick sound what you really need is to take out some of the tops, and then put them back in with a saturation device of some decription. Of course, some kicks from back then (I'm thinking double dragon's first album and Xenomorph's too) were incredibly toppy, so who knows! What I am sure of is that they were bassier and more distorted. And not in a 'fuzz' way.
Or layer your kick drums up with a top and bottom range, saturate the top and layer in the bottom, paying particular attention to where the 'overlap' between the two occurs, so as to make a nice smooth transition. These are typically compressed quite a bit to help gel em, which has the effect of bringing up the bass too, and if you are using a classic styling compressor, will be fairly non-linear and add a bit of distortion as well.
Having said that, nearly all the kick drums I am seeing nowadays are bent sine waves (ie infected), but using exponential curves rather then linear curves on the bend, which really seems to help a lot. And very very pure sine waves at that.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 15:14
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ohshit
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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 18:37
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On 2007-10-29 03:28, Speakafreaka wrote:
hey man - I wrote a VST kick drum plugin -
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is the 2nd version? i was in love with the first...
nice gui!
I think it worth a post and a mention in the mother of all kicks...
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 19:08
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