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Xolvexs
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Posted : Apr 16, 2011 15:47
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what difference does it make?
gays will still face discrimination
regardless of jesus, buddha, krishna or shiva's support...they will always be labelled as GAYs, pillow biters , etc
whats the point of this other than some gay patriotism or propoganda to be accepting..people will not accept gays as easily as they accept hetrosexuals however strong the support..you can find out whatever you want but the acceptance you will find hard ..even jesus in his time found it hard to be accepted ...enjoy the suffering
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 16, 2011 20:37
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Makes no difference to me.
But, apparently, it does to Pauldo.
Who cares, anyway?!
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 17, 2011 22:41
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On 2011-04-16 00:52, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
Actually your tone is bit offensive homie. Jesus is so far ahead of you that this means nothing to him. Say what you want. The Truth is the Truth.
Jesus was the incarnation of the Divine and Androgynous Creator in the physical world. he had no interest in sex of anykind.
The next incarnation of Christ might be in a female form.
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Ahhh, the truth is the truth. That's a very common theme that runs through most religions. Every religion has the one true "truth". No room for open and honest debate with that attitude.
Do you believe Jesus was a physical man? If so then he certainly had sexual desires. If so then he isn't far ahead of me because he is like DEAD.
My views are inherently offensive because it is the direct counter to your views. It is unavoidable that our views are offensive to each other. However, I do fully admit adding plenty of offensiveness to my tone. Religion/god is so deeply ingrained throughout the world that being offensive is the only way to move someone to a position of engaging in mature and civil discussion of the topic. |
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 17, 2011 23:02
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On 2011-04-16 06:41, Maine Coon wrote:
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A majority of the worlds religious people would have no problem with me being stoned to death because I'm gay, hiv+, Atheist, psyhead, Libertarian or any of my other labels.
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This is an example of confounding, IMHO.
What you said is probably true for many people in general – religious or not. It is also true that most people hold some kind of a religious belief. Hence a false association between religion and intolerance. Just a statistical artefact.
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I would disagree. I think there is a direct association between religion and intolerance. For a religion to even "work" they must inherently be intolerant to other views. In order to propagate their views onto the next generation that intolerance must be taught and maintained. Otherwise the religion would cease to exist if they allowed outside influence.
Additionally and more importantly, the religious derive their moral authority to act based upon something that can't even be proven and has ZERO supporting facts. IMHO, that's not the best way in which to derive moral authority. So the religious' moral authority is fundamentally flawed.
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 17, 2011 23:22
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On 2011-04-16 15:47, Xolvexs wrote:
what difference does it make?
gays will still face discrimination
regardless of jesus, buddha, krishna or shiva's support...they will always be labelled as GAYs, pillow biters , etc
whats the point of this other than some gay patriotism or propoganda to be accepting..people will not accept gays as easily as they accept hetrosexuals however strong the support..you can find out whatever you want but the acceptance you will find hard ..even jesus in his time found it hard to be accepted ...enjoy the suffering
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I'm not going to pretend that gay people around the world aren't still being killed because of their sexuality. Would you ask the family and friends of those who have been killed, "what does it matter?" As I said above, religion has a fundamentally flawed justification for their moral authority above others. That continues to play out daily in the death and destruction that the religious reign down upon mankind.
I'm not proud of my sexuality any more than the color of my skin or the nation I was born in or the million other things that I had no choice in. My sense of pride doesn't come from these kinds of things.
Is it propaganda to ask people to be tolerant and accepting of diversity? It is of benefit to all to be so. Our world is only going to get far more diverse in the future. Evolve or die off.
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 00:29
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Because something works for me doesn't mean it should be the same for everyone. I find all religions to be like a pyramid, being different ways to reach the same pinnacle.
Why do you automatically assume all religious people have the time to care about your sexual preference?
BUT.. you mention "Evolve or die off."
If everyone was gay how would you evolve at all?
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 10:41
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On 2011-04-18 00:29, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
Because something works for me doesn't mean it should be the same for everyone. I find all religions to be like a pyramid, being different ways to reach the same pinnacle.
Why do you automatically assume all religious people have the time to care about your sexual preference?
BUT.. you mention "Evolve or die off."
If everyone was gay how would you evolve at all?
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Unfortunately religion is not working for all conscious beings.
I don't assume ALL religious people...I stated above "a majority".
Not everyone is gay and if we were all gay we wouldn't even be able to have evolved to the point of having this conversation. Obviously a species would die off if they weren't able to procreate. |
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minus
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 11:26
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whats your point man? being gay has nothing to do with your awakening. personally i think relegion is shit, no matter what the religion, hindu,muslim,christian,buddhist, whichever, i think relegion is bullshit, whatever happen happens inside you with the help of all the universal energies.
so if you got a relevant point in making a positive contribution then do that, otherwise all your gay blabla is doing is adding to the confusion.
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 22:19
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On 2011-04-18 11:26, minus wrote:
whats your point man? being gay has nothing to do with your awakening. personally i think relegion is shit, no matter what the religion, hindu,muslim,christian,buddhist, whichever, i think relegion is bullshit, whatever happen happens inside you with the help of all the universal energies.
so if you got a relevant point in making a positive contribution then do that, otherwise all your gay blabla is doing is adding to the confusion.
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My intention for my original post was meant to be comical. I really expected people to just laugh at it. Any of my posts here in this section though is meant to challenge people's beliefs about god/religion/spirituality. Challenging the basic history and beliefs of christianity, one of the worlds major religions, is a challenge to all religions. Hopefully this would get people to challenge their own beliefs about their spirituality.
The conversation after my original post went to the existence of Jesus, comparing me to some kind of radical, my defending my personal need to speak out against religion and then "what difference does it make."
I really didn't care if we continued talking about gay Jesus after my original post. Other posts I made in this thread were about a theory that Jesus never existed and a theory about Jesus going to India during the missing time period from his life story.
Here's some more challenges: universal energies!? That sounds nonsensical to me. How does these universal energies actually help people? What is the nature of these energies? Can you prove they exist? How do they actually work? All energy sources in the universe send their energy waves towards Earth and when they reach me they like go into my brain and make me a better person? |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 23:49
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saying that all religons are shit is as crap as preaching that something is best.
After all it's all private an individual choice ,do what you like what feels good to you just do good whatever it is.
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 23:53
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On 2011-04-18 22:19, Pauldo wrote:
My intention for my original post was meant to be comical. I really expected people to just laugh at it. Any of my posts here in this section though is meant to challenge people's beliefs about god/religion/spirituality. Challenging the basic history and beliefs of christianity, one of the worlds major religions, is a challenge to all religions. Hopefully this would get people to challenge their own beliefs about their spirituality.
The conversation after my original post went to the existence of Jesus, comparing me to some kind of radical, my defending my personal need to speak out against religion and then "what difference does it make."
I really didn't care if we continued talking about gay Jesus after my original post. Other posts I made in this thread were about a theory that Jesus never existed and a theory about Jesus going to India during the missing time period from his life story.
Here's some more challenges: universal energies!? That sounds nonsensical to me. How does these universal energies actually help people? What is the nature of these energies? Can you prove they exist? How do they actually work? All energy sources in the universe send their energy waves towards Earth and when they reach me they like go into my brain and make me a better person?
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You sound really insecure with your beliefs Yet you try to be comical with other peoples beliefs. Does this make you feel better?
Im not sure why you would waste your time with a topic like this and then get so defensive when people actually question you..?
you seem to be starting topics basically to talk shit and start a fight. but you really just seem like a douche.
Does the open mindedness of being an atheist not apply to those who actually have a belief?
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minus
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 00:51
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Here's some more challenges: universal energies!? That sounds nonsensical to me. How does these universal energies actually help people? What is the nature of these energies? Can you prove they exist? How do they actually work? All energy sources in the universe send their energy waves towards Earth and when they reach me they like go into my brain and make me a better person?
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no actually this is a positive sign that you probe and question, but it would be nice if you could ask with and put question with a little respect and in nicer words, because we are not in competition here, we are here because we are curious, because there is something inside us all known as intellegence, awareness,conciousness,,, so you want to know what are these universal energies,and how do they help,influence individuals,etc etc, first they are present and your body is sensing and recieveing them all the time, just because your brain is occupied with non sensical shit, it does not see the operations goin on at the subtle levels in the conciousness,, these energies r present like air, like sound,, even tho you cannot see them does not mean they r not there,, they travel and we sense them with our senses, now dont the human brain has a massive capacity,in the sense that we have 5 known senses, ok , do you know the human brain does not operate at 100% instead only like 10% of the brain is used in activity,the rest if it is sleeping, and if this unknown part of the brain is explored, it will reveal many extra senses which n not talked about so openly, ok even if you dont except some 6th senses, can u except the possibility of some extra sensosry perception if the brain is at 100%? if more % of the brain is awakened and used,maybe some more senses like our normal sense wake up?..the brain was not made to be doing jobs,or petty bullshit we guys do it was make for intellegence, how do i put it,,it is capable of far more than thought possible.first to see into this you have to understand the working inside of you, you asked me what are these energies, so who inside you wants to know? who is the one inside you asking? who is this? is it my conciousness? is it my brain?who is the one who resides inside? i'm sure if you probe into this matter and simply observe yourself, then at a certain point you might become aware of what other outside energies effect you, for example,naah forget example, you go look youself.no amount of knowledge will help, only suble observation , if i tell u to sit quietly for 5 minutes, can you sit quietly with yourself without speaking to yourself, without any kind of chattering going on inside ur head? can you remain in silence for just 20 seconds? 2 minutes? 20 minutes?lets see how comfortable you are with yourself! only in that comfortable silence can u sense all the various external energies commin and effecting your daily activities.why dont you try for 2 minutes and see if you can be silent with yourself, maybe you will see what i mean,maybe u will call me a loon, we r goons anyway which boom
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Pauldo
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 08:44
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On 2011-04-18 23:53, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
You sound really insecure with your beliefs Yet you try to be comical with other peoples beliefs. Does this make you feel better?
Im not sure why you would waste your time with a topic like this and then get so defensive when people actually question you..?
you seem to be starting topics basically to talk shit and start a fight. but you really just seem like a douche.
Does the open mindedness of being an atheist not apply to those who actually have a belief?
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I'm actually very secure with my beliefs and yes I do try to be comical with others beliefs. I really can't help myself sometimes. Using comedy is a good way of reaching your audience. You are totally welcome to make fun of my beliefs. I'm totally not defensive about it. If I'm asked a serious question I try to give a proper response. If I'm asked how old I am or some other silly comment then expect me to play back at you.
I explained previously how and why I like to challenge people's beliefs. I'm not just starting fights. There's a method to my madness. Like Minus wrote a nice response which I'll answer next. He just answered my challenge about universal energies with what his beliefs are and I'll just respond in kind. It's like we're past the drama and we can have a real conversation now.
Non-atheists can be open minded. I'm just asking them to be even more open minded. |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 20:54
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man , couldnt have chosen a wronger place to do whatever it is you think you are trying to do , in here (at least i would like very much to believe) , we are free from religious indoctrination etc for the most part , its totally cool if jesus was gay , lol , whats your point bro
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 04:38
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On 2011-04-17 23:02, Pauldo wrote:
I think there is a direct association between religion and intolerance. For a religion to even "work" they must inherently be intolerant to other views. In order to propagate their views onto the next generation that intolerance must be taught and maintained. Otherwise the religion would cease to exist if they allowed outside influence.
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It's a nice theory, Pauldo. In practice, though, the most intollerant participant in this conversation happened to be an atheist.  |
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