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izotope ozone ..anything better than that?
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makus
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Posted : May 16, 2010 22:40
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I like Ozone's limiter. I felt the real taste of it not so long ago and to me it sounds right. If carefully, Multiband Exciter can give very pleasant results also. I hate the interface of Dynamics section, that's why I don't use it, can't say anything good or bad. Don't use equalizer, but spectral analyzer helps, especially I like the snapshot function. I used Reverb twice when mastered own chill tracks. Worked out nicely. Never use Stereo Spreading section. Don't trust such things.
 
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PoM
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Posted : May 16, 2010 23:04
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indeed i find the limiter is good, it s in the same league as the other good ones,depends the music and tracks but it can win vs sonnox elephant flux...but often a combo of cliping is still the best for music that don t need transients smoothing in my experience .their dithering mbit + is suposed to be very good too |
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Cadent
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Posted : May 17, 2010 06:13
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I use Ozone primarily for the multiband compression, Mid/Side Processing and the customizable limiter (which sounds great, by the way).
I'm not advertising here, but the last Grimey Dubstep project I mastered was done primarily in Ozone. Check it out in my signature if you're interested. It's a free release.
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Mute
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Posted : May 17, 2010 09:05
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Honestly if using certain plugins on the Master Channel or Bus sound good then by all means do it , i certainly do it now. Most mastering engineers in this scene atleast dont know jack about the trade . In essence the best master you can have is if you can sit one on one with the Engineer who will then pin point certain things in your track , advise you how to correct them etc. Or if he is really good have him mix it down for you. You can also show him a reference track of how u would like your track to sound, and if your material is already well mixed then he should be able to match it , otherwise suggest you what needs to be done and what is wrong with your track. So i think doing it yourself trial/error method is the best way to learn rather then hand it to a wannabe Mastering Engineer living on the other side of the planet with a craving for crack lol
Its all about how u want your track to sound not slamming a comp and limiting it at 0 db.
I really dig Nomad Factory Analog trackbox and Vozengo tapebus =)
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Enertopia
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Posted : May 18, 2010 03:28
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Ozone and oxford plugins with Wavelab, you are good to go, add a bit of BBE plugin to crisp the sound and pay attention to the levels.
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Elad
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Posted : May 18, 2010 03:34
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Cadent
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Posted : May 18, 2010 03:51
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On 2010-05-17 09:05, Mute wrote:
Honestly if using certain plugins on the Master Channel or Bus sound good then by all means do it , i certainly do it now. Most mastering engineers in this scene atleast dont know jack about the trade . In essence the best master you can have is if you can sit one on one with the Engineer who will then pin point certain things in your track , advise you how to correct them etc. Or if he is really good have him mix it down for you. You can also show him a reference track of how u would like your track to sound, and if your material is already well mixed then he should be able to match it , otherwise suggest you what needs to be done and what is wrong with your track. So i think doing it yourself trial/error method is the best way to learn rather then hand it to a wannabe Mastering Engineer living on the other side of the planet with a craving for crack lol
Its all about how u want your track to sound not slamming a comp and limiting it at 0 db.
I really dig Nomad Factory Analog trackbox and Vozengo tapebus =)
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I agree with certain points of your post, but any Mastering Engineer will tell you that you should never master your own music.
In terms of slamming the masterbuss; absolutely agree with you on those points. Too many people believe that mastering is nothing more than limiting the hell out of someones work while trying to obtain a 1:1 peak for rms ration...which is insane. At that point you're literally scrubbing your music along the wall of distortion. Not only is that fatiguing to the listener, but it removes the soul and vision of the music (as intended by the artist)
Generally speaking, at least when I work with clients, I send them a couple of completed cuts (or the entire album depending on the scope of the project) and ask them their thoughts on the overall loudness, if they like the quality of each range individually as I've processed it, what they would like to hear or what they hear that they didn't notice before.
Mastering is about connecting to the soul of the music, not about loudness. It's about balancing the ranges (and in the context of the album; unifying a vision).
On a track by track basis you'd be OK to do pre-mastering if you're readying for club play, but if you're looking to release I definitely wouldn't recommend it.
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Mute
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Posted : May 18, 2010 13:33
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Mastering Engineer will tell you never to master your own music why?
1. Because that automatically renders him out of business
2. Its better to leave that to the pros
I think we need to distinguish between novice mastering engineers and realy good ones. I am happy to give my mix to an engineer whom i can trust the most, who will criticize the hell out of mix so i know where it stands and how to get better.
One good example to illustrate is
Mastering Engineer gets a mix and finds that somewhere in the middle the track gets too sharp , too much highs so what does he do?
1.First Engineer singles out that portion and applies eq to only that part rather then the whole mix
2. Crack Engineer says "Oh well gotta do another hit so wat the heck just eq the hi's off the entire track"
Who is better you decide?
Now comes the part of Do it yourself mastering . As far as i know Infected Mushroom master their own music so Why not you do yours? They have come a very long way into understanding dynamics that im sure their first go at it didnt proove good results . Prodigy's Liam also masters their tracks himself and i firmly believe they have come thru alot of trial and error to get the sound they have eventually. If slamming a comp and limiter on the master is the way to go , soon u will realize ur ears are fatiguing so u try something else and it goes on!
But then there alot of trance producers who leave the mixing and mastering to a professional , some even have others produce for them but thats another story.
Do whatever you can to make ur mix sound better but slamming a comp or limiter is not the way to go about it , subtle bus compression, exciters (ozone perhaps) on all your tracks which is slightly audible is very good imo. That way u dont effect the master channel rather the individuals and with -6db peaks uncompressed there is good headroom for the final mastering engineer to work on .
If you want there are some great mastering engineers out there so choose wisely!
Cadent : Do you do mixdowns of project files..Like sending individual channel to an analog desk and summing? Btw im totally with yu on the soul and not loudness part of music.. each genre has its own soul
Im really lookin for someone who does it.
cheers
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makus
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Posted : May 18, 2010 14:28
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While mastering own music it is really really hard to fix mixing error created with your room or setup. You just won't hear and recognize them. Only because of that it is a good idea to give a mix to someone else, or take a mix somewhere else and master it in another studio.
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PoM
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Posted : May 18, 2010 16:43
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imo somonee able to get a good mix won t have much trouble doing his own psytrance mastering if he take time to find good tools for it, means lot of a/b ing and hours spent on tools to find some good chains.
i find it funny mastering engeinner telling to not master your own music, like mute said they would be out of buisness .
from my point of view a mastering engineer working on his own tracks should not need any mastering , or just light adjustement, cause in the mix you have way more options to get even better loudness and fix everyhting . |
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Cadent
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Posted : May 18, 2010 21:34
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On 2010-05-18 13:33, Mute wrote:
Mastering Engineer will tell you never to master your own music why?
1. Because that automatically renders him out of business
2. Its better to leave that to the pros
I think we need to distinguish between novice mastering engineers and realy good ones. I am happy to give my mix to an engineer whom i can trust the most, who will criticize the hell out of mix so i know where it stands and how to get better.
One good example to illustrate is
Mastering Engineer gets a mix and finds that somewhere in the middle the track gets too sharp , too much highs so what does he do?
1.First Engineer singles out that portion and applies eq to only that part rather then the whole mix
2. Crack Engineer says "Oh well gotta do another hit so wat the heck just eq the hi's off the entire track"
Who is better you decide?
Now comes the part of Do it yourself mastering . As far as i know Infected Mushroom master their own music so Why not you do yours? They have come a very long way into understanding dynamics that im sure their first go at it didnt proove good results . Prodigy's Liam also masters their tracks himself and i firmly believe they have come thru alot of trial and error to get the sound they have eventually. If slamming a comp and limiter on the master is the way to go , soon u will realize ur ears are fatiguing so u try something else and it goes on!
But then there alot of trance producers who leave the mixing and mastering to a professional , some even have others produce for them but thats another story.
Do whatever you can to make ur mix sound better but slamming a comp or limiter is not the way to go about it , subtle bus compression, exciters (ozone perhaps) on all your tracks which is slightly audible is very good imo. That way u dont effect the master channel rather the individuals and with -6db peaks uncompressed there is good headroom for the final mastering engineer to work on .
If you want there are some great mastering engineers out there so choose wisely!
Cadent : Do you do mixdowns of project files..Like sending individual channel to an analog desk and summing? Btw im totally with yu on the soul and not loudness part of music.. each genre has its own soul
Im really lookin for someone who does it.
cheers
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I hear you!
I ask for a 24bit mixdown first, assess track issues, if there are multiple issues I would ask for a bouncedown of the stems so that I can work in the troublesome layer rather than EQ'ing (or heaven forbid- compressing) an entire range to deal with one problematic instance.
Everyone I've spoken to (in terms of Mixing and Mastering music) has told me the same thing; do not master your own music. It's best to let someone with a fresh set of ears show you what it's capable of. These are people who work in major studios, who have mixed for decades, who still trust their mixes to separate mastering engineers because they understand the value of every step of the process.
It's not about business, it's not about "rendering yourself obsolete"- because a great mastering engineer can wear multiple hats during the course of a project if need be, and a good ear is always a worthwhile thing to have around.
When you talk about the Crackhead Engineers -- you can generally spot those people a mile away. They charge you $15 a tune and boast about all the gear they've pirated.
I'm not like that, I don't do business like that, I wouldn't recommend someone who goes about their work like that. Period.
On the subject of analog summing, the last project I worked on I spent a day on an SSL9k with a bounce of the project, mostly to compare the tools that we have to the 9K masterbuss compressor. What I found was that the masterbuss compressor on the 9K was far too slow (even on the quickest attack setting) to handle the incoming signal in the same way a C4 (or even the Ozone multiband compressor) can. And that was a sad discovery, as I really love the SSL desks, but for masterbuss compression I've learned to stay digital.
Even after I spent 2 months on that desk, learning every nook and cranny of the signal path and the automation system, I still ended up using Ozone for the masterbuss compression because I preferred the sound. That's just my style I suppose, though it really depends on the project.
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-Comparable Rates & Fast turnaround times.
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : May 19, 2010 08:09
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On 2010-05-16 21:29, Colin OOOD wrote:
I don't think any all-in-one mastering plugin is going to provide the best possible tools for each task it includes. Better IMO to use separate plugins and choose each one carefully.
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very true .... in reality ozone is somewhat of a compromise, the results may be good but not ideal!! the choice of tools is subject to the track you are working on, and a single unit, more often than not, wont give you perfect results!
try before you buy!!
good luck!!
b'om!!
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