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NikC
BeatNik
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 02:32
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Come on, who cares about the whole fruity versus cubase shit anyway? If you make good music you make it... I personally prefer cubase and that's my opinion but i know some pro artists who make music on fruity.
The MUSIC is what counts.
Personally i've been making electronic music since i was 9 and started with eJay! i'm 17 now... so not exactly the oldest of the old.
However, i still recon that now i produce to a relatively high standard, but not the best by a looong way. But th ONLY reason i can produce like i do is through spending ridiculous amounts of time learning and experimenting and learning a little bit extra on the side and listening to incredible music...
As i've already said it's the music that counts and not the method....
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bandarlog
Bandarlog
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 03:23
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On 2005-08-22 12:06, TRapp wrote:
er hi banderlog ....
"did you know you cannot record into fruity with a microphone"
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Did you know that not everybody needs to make vocal music, like me for starters...? And if I wanted to, i'd search for the way to do it, fruity or no fruity...
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On 2005-08-22 12:06, TRapp wrote:
the dude wants to be a producer....any real producer(and i am not talking psy trance) will laugh at him if he says....i sequence and produce with fruity....
SO PLEASE DONT BE SO CLOSED MINDED...and expand yourself beyond the bounds of Fruity Loops... |
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I thought the dude wanted to be a psytranceproducer no? And I didn't know you had to say 'I use cubase or logic' as a password at the doors of labels?
+ Who says it's the only program I use? It sucks for (complete) live gigs so for live gigs I use Ableton live partially. For sample editing and final premaster stuff I tend to like cooledit with waves on it. But for serious and intuïtive production @ home, I like FL.
It's just so wrong that people say to noobs: start with FL and then move on. Let them find out themselveswhat they want. If you say at the starting point that they have to move on, it's like saying :"yeah kiddo, start with the toythingie and when you're all grown up, then you can use the real bazooka's"
Guess what he'll be downloading?
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On 2005-08-22 12:06, TRapp wrote:
p.s....yes i did know you could import Midi from mozart or any musician into any sequencer.....and did you know that thats called cutting and pasting 
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 04:12
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bandarlog, you quite wrong. Cubase actually can do much more than Fruity Loops, still it doesn't mean it sounds plastic as someone mentioned. You just need to cross the limit of your blind FL protection and see how does Cubase solve simple audio and midi problems while FL doesn't even close to audio and midi abilities of Cubase.
I won't call it toy since it's not but surely FL can be the first step to music carier. |
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TRapp
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 12:29
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ok ...this seems to be a touchy issue indeed
um firstly to the greek guy...i went to the Fruity sight befor i posted that to check if one could indeed record audio in fruity...maybe i cant read properly bu it didnt say jack shit there about recording audio.
now ...it seems that there are two arguments here
1. fruity sounds shit
2. fruity is a crap sequencer
for me personally, i dont like the way one sequences in fruity...that is that, i am not saying anything about the sounds...i think there are some cool sounds that can be made wioth the fruity synths so dont get me wrong.
i am also not one for any elitest attitudes towards gear if you might be think that....i couldnt care if you made your music using a plastic bag and a tin can....as long as it sounds good..
i myself use Reason for quite a few of my sounds...and i know especially here in south africa everyone says bad things about reason (btw shift started out on reason) , but hey i get some awsome sounds from it and i put them in my tracks nevertheless what others say...
so far i have found Cubase to be the best sequencer for me as far as its abilities and workflow and just general construture
but anyways lets try have a bit of peace on this issue and just make some feckin music...
btw...EYB..u made some very good points!
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piko_bianko
Oxya
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 13:27
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_i totally agree with EYB on this argument... it's what suits you most. it is on music production, it's on what music u like to hear, movies u enjoy, type of girls u like, or anything else.. elsehow we'd all play the same video game, fukking the same girl, or eating the same food... it's the man, not the tool... so unfinishedsymphony i can't help u, cause everybody will eat my guts because i don't use their favourite progs, it's a matter of you to try and choose. most sites have demos of the programs, tutorials and example-trakks of what u can produce with each one_
_now, about this 'war' with FL, i think most ppl dislike this program 'cause its, somehow, limited soundbank, they dont really analyze the machine. i always hear 'oh, plastic kicks', 'fake basslines' and such stuff. hmm, how about CREATING your own kick drum? then how FL makes it sound plastic? it yours FFS.. does FL want to ruin your future dreams on music productions???? on the other hand, why is everybody discussing on 'what program do i use' NOT in plural ? is it bad to use more than 1 programs to make even only 1 track ? when are programs as wavelab, soundforge or acid being used? i don't think , from the 1st step of a trakk, you do everything in FL, cubase, logic, sonar et.c. without using any other application... (u can, but trying editing samples in cub or FL, instead of SoundForge, seems to me like playing a videogame, trying to solve the riddle and finish it)_
_one more thing i want to say that one poor kid asked a simple question, and got a ton of irrelevant answers.... i always wanted to go to the icecream-man asking what flavour should i choose, and him to start telling me how the icecream is made or what kind of fuel he's using for his icecream-truck... my best. (thank god kiddo got some relevant ones too, which is good, respekt on these guys)_
_anyway, i hope i did not get u tired and i don't mean to be aggressive or impolite with anyone, i just all this time i see this kind of argument and i wanted to express my opinion for once, thank you_
respekt
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 17:24
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hey trapp you cant record audio in a web page you need to run the program first
you can record audio in fl its been implemented since version 4 synths or microphone dont make arguments in things you dont realy know!
iff you use reason or cubase is something thats up to you i dont care at all music is whatt counts in the finish line
i use cubase as well and i have tryied reason to for me its totaly limited and the sound isnt so nice but in my ears its not if you or whoever use it and make good tunes im satisfied and i will totaly by hes cds
i think this topic is totaly offtopic
you my friend choose what you like give them all a test drive your brain will figure whats best for your needs just to stay on topic
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TRapp
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 10:15
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On 2005-08-23 17:24, orange wrote:
hey trapp you cant record audio in a web page you need to run the program first
you can record audio in fl its been implemented since version 4 synths or microphone dont make arguments in things you dont realy know!
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ok u are right, i re-read it and its hidden away their on their site....but i would never consider fruity to be a serious DAW, so um ahhh i stick by my original point about this issue...
another thing....NO SHIT YOU CANT RECORD ON A WEBSITE......if you read what i said in ENGLISH , it is understandable that i wasnt saying you can record on a webpage...
regards trapp
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 12:33
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MoDu
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Posted : Aug 29, 2005 04:07
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I believe it is shamefull for this forum to grab a FAQ from a newbie, and turn it into gigantic proportions because either you snoby or out of proportions adept of "be yourself".
I already hate this forum, I only come here sometimes because of technical issues, and these childish ways do not help at all.
Back on topic: I started with reason, fantastic sequencer, because it is all there in one program, fantastic for begginers, and even better for pros, it's sequencer is great!
Then relunctatly moved to fruity because I wanted to use VST's(relunctatly because of it's loop base sequencer, instead of the usual linear one).
Nowadays I don't even consider moving sequencer until(this is the key) use anything external, like an instrument that needs midi and audio I/O.
Why? Because I just make exactly what I want from fruity, comercial level and just the way I want it. I breeze throu it without even thinking, and only loosing 5 minutes to adjust the mix and it's just what I want.
Speaking of released work on "kiddie seq's", my "teacher/sensei/friend" Lost Budha has just been launched with a reason made track that is just awesome( Compilation name, Apsara from Suntrip records is a mix of old-skool and new-school Goa/Psy)
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midislave
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Posted : Aug 29, 2005 06:49
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On 2005-08-22 12:45, S7a5 wrote:
well said TRapp 
To add more things I once worked with fl and wanted to export midi file and always failed. Is it me or it's the app? I mean usually when u go to file->export->midi it SHOULD export midi file with all data in it but not just some 1kb file with nothinng in it. ye ye you gonna tell me now to go to macros->prepare midi for export etc etc but isn't it just stupid?
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eeerh, it's jut you yeah, you should first prepare for midi export, then export the files dummy:p |
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Drunken Monk
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Posted : Aug 30, 2005 18:04
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i agree with modu.. smoke a joint ppl and relax!
oh and for the topic.. use what ever makes you feel good with it. Learn it! And after that you can decide if it covers your needs.
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IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Aug 30, 2005 21:16
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On 2005-08-23 13:27, piko_bianko wrote:
_i totally agree with EYB on this argument... it's what suits you most. it is on music production, it's on what music u like to hear, movies u enjoy, type of girls u like, or anything else.. elsehow we'd all play the same video game, fukking the same girl, or eating the same food... it's the man, not the tool... so unfinishedsymphony i can't help u, cause everybody will eat my guts because i don't use their favourite progs, it's a matter of you to try and choose. most sites have demos of the programs, tutorials and example-trakks of what u can produce with each one_
_now, about this 'war' with FL, i think most ppl dislike this program 'cause its, somehow, limited soundbank, they dont really analyze the machine. i always hear 'oh, plastic kicks', 'fake basslines' and such stuff. hmm, how about CREATING your own kick drum? then how FL makes it sound plastic? it yours FFS.. does FL want to ruin your future dreams on music productions???? on the other hand, why is everybody discussing on 'what program do i use' NOT in plural ? is it bad to use more than 1 programs to make even only 1 track ? when are programs as wavelab, soundforge or acid being used? i don't think , from the 1st step of a trakk, you do everything in FL, cubase, logic, sonar et.c. without using any other application... (u can, but trying editing samples in cub or FL, instead of SoundForge, seems to me like playing a videogame, trying to solve the riddle and finish it)_
_one more thing i want to say that one poor kid asked a simple question, and got a ton of irrelevant answers.... i always wanted to go to the icecream-man asking what flavour should i choose, and him to start telling me how the icecream is made or what kind of fuel he's using for his icecream-truck... my best. (thank god kiddo got some relevant ones too, which is good, respekt on these guys)_
_anyway, i hope i did not get u tired and i don't mean to be aggressive or impolite with anyone, i just all this time i see this kind of argument and i wanted to express my opinion for once, thank you_
respekt
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fruity still sux |
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Aug 30, 2005 23:35
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On 2005-08-30 21:16, ana3imandros wrote:
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On 2005-08-23 13:27, piko_bianko wrote:
_i totally agree with EYB on this argument... it's what suits you most. it is on music production, it's on what music u like to hear, movies u enjoy, type of girls u like, or anything else.. elsehow we'd all play the same video game, fukking the same girl, or eating the same food... it's the man, not the tool... so unfinishedsymphony i can't help u, cause everybody will eat my guts because i don't use their favourite progs, it's a matter of you to try and choose. most sites have demos of the programs, tutorials and example-trakks of what u can produce with each one_
_now, about this 'war' with FL, i think most ppl dislike this program 'cause its, somehow, limited soundbank, they dont really analyze the machine. i always hear 'oh, plastic kicks', 'fake basslines' and such stuff. hmm, how about CREATING your own kick drum? then how FL makes it sound plastic? it yours FFS.. does FL want to ruin your future dreams on music productions???? on the other hand, why is everybody discussing on 'what program do i use' NOT in plural ? is it bad to use more than 1 programs to make even only 1 track ? when are programs as wavelab, soundforge or acid being used? i don't think , from the 1st step of a trakk, you do everything in FL, cubase, logic, sonar et.c. without using any other application... (u can, but trying editing samples in cub or FL, instead of SoundForge, seems to me like playing a videogame, trying to solve the riddle and finish it)_
_one more thing i want to say that one poor kid asked a simple question, and got a ton of irrelevant answers.... i always wanted to go to the icecream-man asking what flavour should i choose, and him to start telling me how the icecream is made or what kind of fuel he's using for his icecream-truck... my best. (thank god kiddo got some relevant ones too, which is good, respekt on these guys)_
_anyway, i hope i did not get u tired and i don't mean to be aggressive or impolite with anyone, i just all this time i see this kind of argument and i wanted to express my opinion for once, thank you_
respekt
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ok,
fruity still sux
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ur brain does if u are serious
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IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Aug 30, 2005 23:54
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If u wonna be a pro u have to work like a pro, or else...xmmmm
you could make some noiz into your bathroom while playing with plastic ducks n stuff
(splish.splash.i.was.taking.a.bath.rmx:)
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piko_bianko
Oxya
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Posted : Aug 31, 2005 01:23
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On 2005-08-30 23:35, EYB wrote:
ur brain does if u are serious
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ahhahahahhahahahahhahahahah
thumbs up my mate
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