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unfinishedsymphony
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 03:33
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ok, hey everyone. i am 15 and i am from ohio,usa. i have been inton trance for 2 years now and in my area, there is no one i know who likes it. only a select few even know what it is. I have a lot of c.d.'s but just started buying vinyl(adagio for strings, 4 remixes, 12"). I have a turntables but will soon buy a mixing package. This might sound stupid, but how can i start producing trance? I really want to do this as a career. Trance has inspired me so much and i definetly feel as if this is what i will be doing. Can someone Give me some advice or whatever? -josh |
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etk
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 03:47
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Nathan
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 06:03
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Fruity Loops with alot af plugins can be good 4 you!
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 11:12
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As a career? nahhh mate stick to your day job. There's not much money in trance.
And believe me.. Fruityloops wont really do the trick for you unless you aim to release the next killaaarghhh copy & paste track on some bozo label 
To make music takes more than a cheap plastic tracker program. It takes a good amount of talent, knowledge about music production and lots of hard work in the studio.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 11:30
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As a career? nahhh mate stick to your day job. There's not much money in trance.
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I agree, it takes alot of time and probably good advice is to study in school or work for first 3 years of learning, unless you are gifted. You can make some money by being artist but it depends on many things such your ability to promote and produce "right thing" (subjective therm, meaning : what ppl like to hear).
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And believe me.. Fruityloops wont really do the trick for you unless you aim to release the next killaaarghhh copy & paste track on some bozo label
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I don't since my friend released a track on Vapour using Fruity, while you not even close to release on this label. I agree that Cubase, Sonar and Logic have wider choise of tools and bit better mixing engine but copy&paste and kilarggh artists using Cubase more than Fruity Loops. Same as sequencer name have nothing to do with music style you do using it.
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To make music takes more than a cheap plastic tracker program.
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Here you don't even know what you talking about, Fruity Loops is sequencer and not tracker when plastic sounding is about artist's ears, artist's knowledge and proper judge.
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It takes a good amount of talent, knowledge about music production and lots of hard work in the studio.
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Here i agree again! |
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TRapp
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 12:05
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HandA , i have alot of respect for what you usually say, but i get the feeling you are trying to say to this poor kid, ...you cant do it cos you need a real studio , blah blah etc...
listen kid,...get yourself either Reason or Fruity to start with , mess aournd and have fun....dont worry about getting tracks out there...at first play ...enjoy the sounds...read and research...see what is the norm. in production , but dont get l;imited by the thought process....production is a freedom...
the next things you have to decide are this...your reason for producing...is it cos u wana be famous or is it because you enjoy the creation process, your heart needs to be in the right place!!
next learn...ask ppl around here, there are certain things you have to know to make trance, methods , applications, song theory,...
next create...if you are any good and you enjoy it you will know soon, then you can move onto the bigger sequencers , buy hardware...move on
if you are average and just enjoy what you do then you can still move onto the bigger sequencers etc, but dont ever feel pressured by those around you, and dont let others take you down or berate you because they have issues with the fact that every1 wants to be a producer (i also have these issues but i keep them to myself)
btw...adagio of strings is euro trance,,,,and its easier there to make a career out of dj'ing and producing..check fery corsten and paul van dyk, but yu have to be elite....if you are talented(you will knw) and if you have the drive to get there , then you can!!
start with fruity or reason , and move from there....good luck and have fun mate!!!
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Psylopath
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 13:51
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TRapp is right.
the best thing would be to start with a "smaller" sequencer like fruity or reason, learn the basics.
if you see that producing is the right thing 4 you, start to expand your system.
read a lot, buy magazines (f.e. computer music, ...), use the internet to learn more about music creation, try to build up some connections to other people with the same passion and work hard.
but never forget, that it should make fun, and it has no sence to try to force success.
be patient, because usually it takes years to get the skills for producing in a good quality.
i wish u all the best
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thail
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 15:24
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On 2005-08-16 11:12, HandA wrote:
As a career? nahhh mate stick to your day job. There's not much money in trance.
And believe me.. Fruityloops wont really do the trick for you unless you aim to release the next killaaarghhh copy & paste track on some bozo label
To make music takes more than a cheap plastic tracker program. It takes a good amount of talent, knowledge about music production and lots of hard work in the studio.
Good luck.
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Don't you feel a bit stupid when your talking about an issue your not familiar with?? You don't really know a shit about FL Studio dood. What's the thing about copy+paste tracks? What's the difference between Cubase and FL conserning this issue? None. Im sorry. You can go with FL all the way!
Are you somehow bitter because you've payed 1000$ for Cubase instead of 100$ for Fl? 
Why are there so many Cubase(or logic) users who act so fucking childish when talking about Fl Studio? |
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s0ft
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 15:28
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On 2005-08-16 03:33, unfinishedsymphony wrote:
ok, hey everyone. i am 15 and i am from ohio,usa.
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im from ohio too, nice to meet you.
hang around this forum and you'll learn everything you want to know. best advice you'll ever get.
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 16:16
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I always produced in either Logic or Fruityloops. When you finally reach the quality you want in Fruity, you can just forget Logic... it so much simple to do stuff in FL and by getting the same quality as in the logic, theres no point in not using it. |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 16:21
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On 2005-08-16 11:12, HandA wrote:
As a career? nahhh mate stick to your day job. There's not much money in trance.
And believe me.. Fruityloops wont really do the trick for you unless you aim to release the next killaaarghhh copy & paste track on some bozo label
To make music takes more than a cheap plastic tracker program. It takes a good amount of talent, knowledge about music production and lots of hard work in the studio.
Good luck.
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Don't you feel a bit stupid when your talking about an issue your not familiar with?? You don't really know a shit about FL Studio dood. What's the thing about copy+paste tracks? What's the difference between Cubase and FL conserning this issue? None. Im sorry. You can go with FL all the way!
Are you somehow bitter because you've payed 1000$ for Cubase instead of 100$ for Fl?
Why are there so many Cubase(or logic) users who act so fucking childish when talking about Fl Studio?
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100% Agree. There is too much stupid shit around about the Fruity issue.
In fact Fruity is the actual best dance music sequencer around (IMO). I don't want to fight here at all. And HandA fruity is perfect to see if someone got talent to do some great music.
But in one point i have to agree with HandA. If u want a carrer as musician start doing some more popular music style 
Don't set ur target where u can't reach it. Start with learning music theory and production technique. It will take some time. And then look where u can go with it 
Peace and Love EYB
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:25
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thail : Fruity Loops cost more and Cubase cost less from what you said. The difference is about 200-300$ only, probably you won't compare SX3 to FL5. FL6 which is announced to be released soon will cost more money since it becomes closer and closer to Cubase, thou no improvement in mixing engine which was the man failure of this sequencer.
Why are all Cubase/Logic users flame FL? Simple Cubase and Logic are better but from HandA's words i assume he doesn't even know what he talking about. I'm up to start a argue with him, about every aspect in Fruity Loops compared to Cubase. (in life i use Cubase for five years but worked for Image Line so i know FL for a while).
Due to lack of HandA's knownledge in FL, he said bullcrap but what he meant to say in technical language "With Cubase you can do many things much more easier, to see more than you see in FL and to have noise free mixing engine."
unfinishedsymphony: Download any application mate and try to learn for couple fo months alone, then start asking simple questions, better if you will get some newbie artist on msn or icq contact so you can develop your skills together can help both of you.
TRapp: Kid? lol. From your words i understand only one thing , you don't know a clue what are you talking about but just quoting things boring and not helpful ppl essays. |
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 17, 2005 01:37
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Amazing how much you people assume things... So you all know me personal and know I haven't looked into fruity?
The problem with this scene is all the many wannabe artists (incl. tons in this forum) that think they can get their hands on a free program and vupti they are professional artists over night... yeah sure
Now flame me. As if I really care. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 17, 2005 03:07
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Professional is not all about the program..
but one thing is for sure.. you dont see FL studio running in a professional recording studio, recording multitrack projects! not yet at least..
FL Studio is great! phenomenal in some ways..
there is no doubt about that you can make professional tracks in FL studio...
I say dont care about the program, care about how digital audio works and technical stuff, learn the terminlogy and learn about music theory and rhythm.. the programs will change, but if you know the lingo and know how things works
then you will have no problem at all with any sequencer....
if you are serious with recording music, go try some different sequencers like Cakewalk, Cubase, Logic, Samplitude, Protools, Digital Preformer, ect ect. Feel like a idiot and start the puzzle... Practise and get frustrated! But have fun...a fun thing is to get your self some real instruments, some hand drums and stuff and play around with your friends... knowing where music comes from is important..
listen to lots of different music to broad your ideas
http://www.shoutcast.com/ (lots of different genres there)
Anyway... my advice for you is to work with music in any shapes and forms, trance is a good genre, and its very technical in terms of production methods so its a good way to learn about music production...
but if you really want to have fun, try and make all the music you can....
the more you know the better...
if you have any thoughts just ask m8...
And Please "HandA" and "Willy Wonka" stop turning this thread in to a flame war...
this dude needs some inspiration and ideas...
so lets try to stick to the facts..
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TRapp
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Posted : Aug 17, 2005 08:52
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On 2005-08-16 19:25, Willy Wonka wrote:
TRapp: Kid? lol. From your words i understand only one thing , you don't know a clue what are you talking about but just quoting things boring and not helpful ppl essays.
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obviously then your english isnt very good and or you battle to understand mine!
i dont know everything yet perfectly , but i do know enough to produce above average tracks for trance...
when i started i started on fruity ,then Reason and now i use Cubase with hardware as well as many other VST's etc
if you think i dont know much....i am busy mixing using an 8 bus digital mixer to track, i know how to use hardware inserts, set up all the necassary hardware/software routing options, route send effects, record all this shit properly etc, i understand how most signal processors work and how to use them correctly....so please
quoting me that i dont know much cos i was giving some kid some advice from my own personal expierence when i started isnt much for someone like you to then claim i know jack shit....but then again your name is Willy Wonka....also Kid? 15 years is a kid in my eyes...
HandA....there are alot of wannebe producers....but look at every aspect of anything in life, there are millions of wannabe guitarists, skateboarders, surfers,trancers..etc.....but if they are having fun, then let them...no harm done!!!
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