dharmatronic
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Posted : Apr 12, 2012 13:29:21
... many psytrance tracks start in a very similar way (long spatial pads with reverb, delay and wet drums). I've been working on a track which starts with a dry drums and bass. After listening to my intro several times I've got really bored of it and then I've begun to look around ppl's track in attempt to find some inspiration.
Coincidence or not, from about 50 psytracks I've heard none of them start with dry stuff. Now I'm searching in my archive of techno, jazz, rock and accoustic music I have... hahahaha.
I guess it is one of the easier ways to begin a track... slow evolving pads, plucks with long decays etc. is how it usually goes.
There are many more interesting ways to begin a track but they are somewhat harder to come up with, you need to be a lot more creative (I hate hearing and writing that). Definitely a lot to be learned from other genres of music here, that is a good idea... when making psytrance, listen to as much of everything that isn't psytrance as possible.
Personally I love pads and when you add less is more principle and stay in context and story, that is really good way too start a track, everything blend together perfectly when track evolves...but of course that method is overused to the death
Disco Hooligans have good way of doing intro with break beat and than use only that in breaks, processed and edited in really driving way...everything blend perfectly than and make sense
You can always experiment with material in track that you have,make some crazy edits and small parts,there is endless possibilities really....i saw some house dudes that use part of vocal for hi hats and some other different kind of things in very creative way, granular synthesis is the shit
But if creator of track really have some deep trip and story behind the track name, intro is pure imagination and real story teller,Faxi Nadu have that trip all over it
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Posted : Apr 12, 2012 22:31
Eskimo older stuff has some very creative intros (Baloonatic albums, Dynamo album if I remember correctly).
Pyrex :: Traveling without moving
www.myspace.com/pyrexperience
Well when you have an idea of the track, you can develop it from a small piece in the intro to the whole opera in the end.
The story of the track starts right from the second 0. But I notice that many psytrance tracks start with random intro, then go dry kick + bass, then leads etc. In Overdream, I did the same thing too. But now I think it is no good. I try to make the intro interesting and start telling the story right from there. This even pushed me to a very exciting experience, with Algae Bloom, when I started my track unusually for me - with some pads and fx, instead of kick and bass - I ended up tweaking kick and bass accordingly to already created pads and other sounds in the intro.
Also, check this out, might help. Not trance, but still pretty psy And the story is good.
dharmatronic
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Posted : Apr 13, 2012 13:08
definitely, makus, a very deep sound we have here. yeah, and the time it takes for each transition... very well done.
I agree when you guys say that all these psy intros in the market are very very overused... but sometimes the production's skill limit your creativity. and in my case instead of taking couple of hours, it takes days to finish a part or to get close to the idea I had in the beginning.... then, you just have to use that old and disconnected psytrance formula to move on.
really hard to translate feelings, emotions into cubase projects ...hahahaha
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Posted : Apr 13, 2012 13:16
I've done lots of different kinds of intros. Coming from a breakbeat background I've done quite a few breakbet intros in the Disco Hooligans tracks, even come in with beatboxing, to long cinematic intros, to a simple drone evolving...anything goes really.
Generally tho, in psy-trance people like a beatless intro, what with the connection to chill out music, or the fact that people used to play DAT tapes and mixing on the beat was very hard.
So the simple drone/pad thing caught up from a long time ago.
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Posted : Apr 13, 2012 15:19
Probably because there is so much shit going on its hard to make long transitions without sounding too messy. It does not lend itself to DJ trickery like minimal techno would. But you are right, to get standard short, but technically clean transitions psy-trance is perfect, because it is quite formulaic, at least the new stuff, and the formulas fit perfectly on top of each other.
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dharmatronic
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Posted : Apr 13, 2012 18:55
...we all already know how friendly it is... np with that. just cut mid and high for having a clear track "image".
and yeah, agreed: "Its all good as long as the music in nice. ", and it can be applied for any genre: from rap to classic, newage, polka, folk or whatever. when is good, is good! =D
but... at this time I'm searching different approach especially during intro, I mean dryer stuff and still psychedelic. Not Hendrix!! ahahahahh... I wish I could give some examples... but don't have any.
always learning...
On 2012-04-13 13:16, Nectarios wrote:
I've done lots of different kinds of intros. Coming from a breakbeat background I've done quite a few breakbet intros in the Disco Hooligans tracks, even come in with beatboxing, to long cinematic intros, to a simple drone evolving...anything goes really.
Generally tho, in psy-trance people like a beatless intro, what with the connection to chill out music, or the fact that people used to play DAT tapes and mixing on the beat was very hard.
So the simple drone/pad thing caught up from a long time ago.
