goa-ganges
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Posted : Jan 4, 2011 19:16
Isratrance is for Killaaarghh!!! trance people.
Lots of newbies that started yesterday, know nothing and behave as veterans of the scene.
No neurons involved in most discussions.
That's why you see bad music being appreciated here.
Dogon
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Posted : Jan 4, 2011 19:18
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On 2011-01-04 19:16, goa-ganges wrote:
That's why you see bad music being appreciated here.
I always thought it was a matter of taste?!
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 00:05
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On 2011-01-04 19:18, Dogon wrote:
I always thought it was a matter of taste?!
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Well, "taste" in music may change in time, with gaining more experience or knowledge...
I've been thinking a lot about this matter of different "tastes"
I think we can talk about different "taste" in music, only when the experience and musical knowledge of the listeners are equal. When there is a big difference of experience or musical knowledge between listeners, then we can talk only about "good or bad" music, and not different tastes. Music is the most complex form of art... it's not like you are "tasting" a food...music must be understood.
that's my opinion..
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 00:16
Depressingly much 170bpm discussions going around nowadays! Bring it dooooown
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 00:17
That's one of the most interesting aspects of music - that you can know nothing at all about how it is made but it can still have a profound impact on you.
Good/bad music is completely, 100% subjective. I would argue that music doesn't need to be understood, it just needs to have an impact on the listener.
However, more experience/knowledge does lead to a more complete and intricate understanding of music. A year and a month ago, I had no knowledge of music at all other than I knew that I liked listening to it. Now with a year of production and music theory under my belt I am getting so much more out of the music as I understand its complexities much more than I did before.
I don't understand your point about unequal levels of musical understanding making it impossible to discuss taste. case in point...I had a friend stay over at my place for a couple weeks, and she's a die hard dark-psy addict without any musical theory knowledge...but she knows what she likes and we were still able to have good discussions about music.
One person's life-changing favorite song is another peron's worthless cheese, and vice versa.
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 00:55
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On 2011-01-05 00:17, willsanquil wrote:
One person's life-changing favorite song is another peron's worthless cheese, and vice versa.
+1 That's it in a nutshell, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it besides accept it and leave people's tastes alone, not harass them about it.
Good points, will san
The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 01:00
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On 2011-01-05 00:17, willsanquil wrote:
Good/bad music is completely, 100% subjective.
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Well, i don't wanna argue with you but...
Good/bad music in 100 % subjective only when it's "personal"...when we talk about what every person find a music good or bad for him.
But i was talking as good/bad as "a general standard" in music, and here only the experience and music knowledge can make the difference. For example, you can't classify Beethoven's music as "bad" music just because some kids don't like it or don't understand it.
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On 2011-01-05 00:17, willsanquil wrote:
I would argue that music doesn't need to be understood, it just needs to have an impact on the listener.
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Well, please tell me than, where is the difference between spiritual and empathic music ? Where is the difference between music with message or complex story and simple music that just make you feel good or dance ?
I taught for many years that goa and psytrance music is a spiritual music... a complex form of music with message not just a rhythm with weird sounds that makes kids feel good when they smoke grass or take drugs.
Unfortunately... we managed to transform it in simple empathic music that just make the listener have fun. We have joined the wonderfull world world of brainless music lovers !
Here is an example of what i still call spiritual music.
This track's purpuse is not to make the listenes enjoy or feel good... but to send him into THE DEPTHS OF THE ABYSS !
I hope one day trance music will be "spiritual" and it will have a message again !
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 09:32
a early teenager smokes the herb,thinks hommega & h20 recs delivers the best soundz & goes behind the stinky cheese smell.......
when he hits his mid-teenage crisis & drops a hoffman juice & gets a real good dose of the dark industry,his lateral channels r open & thinks he's messenger of god.he tries to get his hoffman trip back without dropping it.in this process he bpm goes all the way up 2 his alter ego.
by the time he becomes an adult & starts appreciating good nite music like parvati,vertigo, discovalley recs etc.by this time he talks & eats only music & becomes a respectable baba in his or her community.
by the time he settles down in life like family,make his own money etc,he starts appreciating sounds like iono,zenon,CCR,crotus etc & become s a highly intellectual being & has mild short term memory.
this is a crash course in the life of an isratrance-alien. . . .
Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 5, 2011 12:13
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On 2011-01-05 01:00, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
Here is an example of what i still call spiritual music.
This track's purpuse is not to make the listenes enjoy or feel good... but to send him into THE DEPTHS OF THE ABYSS !
Anyer
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 13:22
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On 2011-01-05 12:13, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-01-05 01:00, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
Here is an example of what i still call spiritual music.
This track's purpuse is not to make the listenes enjoy or feel good... but to send him into THE DEPTHS OF THE ABYSS !
Plasmorh
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 16:44
requiem for a dream :x :S
@ A: 167 is ok? PPPPP
@goa-ganges: KILLARGHHH!!! DDD thats the spirit xDDD
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 22:44
First of all Atma, I am a huge fan of Goa and early psy music, specifically because of the feeling that it gives me...that its special, has a purpose, takes me somewhere and is not just a mass of weird noise - a psychedelic journey. I'm with you on this.
However, not all people get that same impression. Some people are just like 'meh, boring arpeggios, next please." How am I to reconcile this difference between what I feel and appreciate and what someone else feels and appreciates?
No music by itself is spiritual or empathic or will send someone into the depths of the abyss. Not beethoven, not the best goa, not the deepest darkest psy. It is the listener who is spiritual, or empathic, or takes themself into the abyss.
I can't see the track you are posting that you are referring to as spiritual music. I might agree with you, whatever it is. However, I guarantee you that the vast, vast majority of people who listen to whatever it is you posted will not use the term 'spiritual' to describe it. It is your personal appreciation for the music and the feelings in YOU that it touches that leads you to use the spiritual term. Also...unless you wrote the track yourself or were present during its creation how can you possibly say what the artist's initial intent was when producing the track? That is the power of music, we create in ourselves this journey and story and we identify with it very personally. Kudos to your brain.
Another problem is this 'general standard' in music. Sure, if you analyze Beethoven from a musical composition/complexity POV..then it probably lives up to some general standard of musicality...but guess what? It doesn't matter - or at least it doesn't have to matter. Music can be extremely complex and it can make all the music theory snobs get wet, but there will still be people who don't like it. If there was a 'general standard' then there would be some music that everyone likes. There isn't. I can listen to classical music like Beethoven and appreciate bits of it sure...but I don't like to listen to it.
I am bored by Beethoven. To me, it is "bad" in that way. So sorry if that offends
I'm sure there are people out there who only listen to classical music and don't like listening to even the most super-spiritual goa trance.
One of the best things I ever did for myself (and it was very, very hard) was to take Psy music less seriously. For years I went to psy events with the mindset that this is super spiritual music that is going to change my life, and I'm going to have x and y revelation about the true nature of reality, blah blah.
It was great for the first couple years..but as I began to realize that my lofty expectations weren't being met, I began to get more and more critical of what was happening, and the amount of fun I was having was decreasing. I can lie to myself and say oh, the music just isn't as good anymore, it's not spiritual anymore, it's just a party...the same elements are there, I was just being being more and more selective (well, OK, not as much goa is played...) - nowadays I can go out and dance around and be silly and have fun pretty much no matter what (unless it gets crazy fast, not a big fan of fast usually), but I can also get very 'serious' about it if the music takes me there. I've been having more and more fun in the last year even if the music isn't up to my standards of what I think it should be.
There is a difference between a city night club full of coke heads and a pristine forest gathering of psychonauts. I don't think any reasonably experienced psy-head would argue otherwise. However, someone who attempts to say this music is more
spiritual or this is not spiritual and believes that to be an objective statement/argument is very silly in my eyes.
That being said, yay for music that takes you on a journey and shows you something other than weird noise and killargh beats. May we each find the music (or make the music!) that resonates with us and teaches us more about ourselves and the ridiculous universe(s) we live in.
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 23:08
can u say that in fewer words plz?
I want a spare brain.... or 2.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 23:11
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