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Isratrance forum suggestions.
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lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 19:49
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 19:53
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On 2010-12-01 19:45, Login wrote:
Well psy trance exist cause of psychedlic drugs.
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And we all exist because of sex.
Maybe every forum in the world should have a sex section then.  |
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moki
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 21:04
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would be interesting to have a section about programming which is why psy trance exists - because of programmers and people who made synths.
and also a database with sound and artists would be nice as well. a database to search and compare artists, their themes, their tracks, their samples, their development in the scene through the years. a place for simple database selections and studies.
i kind of agree that there is no place for serious psychedelic topics on isratrance, or for spirituality, ecology or whatever it is. and the sections about it, cannot be taken seriously somehow. it is not true that the spirituality section is " quite active". besides, the provocative point is lost, because the "other side" of the coin (the other type of users) would not check there anyway so it more or less turned to a small linkbase with no discussions.
the unique thing about isratrance is the music and production forum... and it is the only thing to take seriously. which is also somehow full of lobbys and topics that are preferred and other that are not.
generally i wonder what i am doing in this topic:). forum suggestions about how to save the trance culture?
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Aluxe
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 07:27
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The latest mini-argument about drugs is BS, imo. You wanna learn all you can about drugs – do what I did: go and study pharmacology at your local university. This is a community of psytrance fans and producers, and some of us are “clean” – so, don’t tell me there is some absolute and necessary link between the music and the drugs there.
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Maine coon you are kind of missing the point. Nobody is telling you that there is a NECESSARY link between the music and the drugs. However the link has been there from the very beginng and this is simply because of the sheer fact that the use of psychedelics has inspired the music, the art and brought about inexpresible feelings and experiences at the dance floor for a lot of people. That’s why it feels so hypocritical to bann the psychedelics talk on a psy forum.
But there are no rules and you are free to connect with the music anyway you want, in fact there are plenty of people that have gotten into this music without ever taking any drugs and so nobody is forcing anything on anybody. If we want to be fair then its usually the other way around and those who want to experiment with altered states of mind are the ones persecuted and looked down on everywhere. Even on a psy forum the trippers can’t talk freely about their tripping which is my whole point.
And your suggestion about going to the university to learn all about drugs is a bit off, at least in this context. The trippers more than learning about psychedelics want to experience psychedelics. School can be insightful but if you really want to learn about Peyote no amount of books you read will ever come close to the actual experience of the peyote itself. It’s like tyring to learn about the magic of sex by reading books about sex. Sure it can give you some insights but who are we kidding..
Hey you want to trance it clean then trance on trancer. Dream your own dream. And as long as you have the good vibrations it can also be a dream we all share together, on the dancefloor or just here on the forum.
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But the main thing is: there is no need to open our hosts to potential legal liability. Or do you really think that only psytrance fans read this site?
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Yeah which is what Moki was saying and this seems like a real argument. Though the way I understand it even though psychedelics are illegal its not really illegal to talk about them. But maybe in some countries even talking about it is an offence.
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rich
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 08:58
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On 2010-12-03 07:27, Aluxe wrote:
Even on a psy forum the trippers can’t talk freely about their tripping which is my whole point.
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The mods can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's ok to talk about experiences of the spirit in the Spirituality section.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 09:49
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Aluxe, good explanations. Thanks. 
I am actually not missing the point – just looking at it from a different angle.
I understand the hypocrisy of the situation where “even on a psy forum the trippers can’t talk freely about their tripping”. Although, I don’t think this is the situation here. I believe that the IsraTrance Team keeps it this way not because they are opposed to tripping: people talk about psychedelic experiences all the time here – just not about drugs themselves. Maybe there is a simple practical reason for discouraging drug talks here, and I believe it has to do with legal liability. Surely, you can imagine a number of scenarios where IsraTrance gets in trouble, even though such discussions themselves are not illegal. It’s not hard to figure out.
I agree with everything else in your post.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 10:55
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On 2010-12-03 07:27, Aluxe wrote:
Yeah which is what Moki was saying and this seems like a real argument. Though the way I understand it even though psychedelics are illegal its not really illegal to talk about them. But maybe in some countries even talking about it is an offence.
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dear Aluxe, it is not illegal to talk about spirituality and psychedelics. i have seen number of users, and even some mods doing this here. it is all about the context, the connection and the linkage. i am sure a certified chemist or a psychiatrist has more rights to talk about it in any place of the world than others do. and also, the most difficult thing about this topic is that it is hard to define the boundary, where you start to "recommend psychedelics to others without talking about risks", which is illegal in lots of countries.
and this is why it is mostly about your own responsibility. with any word you write about psychedelics and how good they are, in the istrance forum, you take responsibility for the "psychedelic abuse" of all these users here. this is my personal argument about not talking here, although i did it a few times, and my stories about soma and the nectar of immoirtality were not banned or deleted either. but i just dont want to be responsible for the use of all trancers, because i dont find it so nice what lost of them do.
so if you really need it, why not try - the only thing that can happen is to be deleted. happened to me in some forums too, that i got banned because i wanted to talk about forbidden things. at the end of the day, no plant is illegal. but those with more experience and wisdom have responsibility for others to protect them from harms...
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 12:06
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Please move on from the drug discussion, this is a music forum.
There are plenty of other places you can discuss drug-related experiences. And go to www,erowid.com for unbiased information.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 13:08
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roger that sir.
i move chief 
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 13:49
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I never understood the need for ecology, spiritual mumbo jumbo etc. topics in a music forum. I am sure there are plenty of other forums covering such topics.
Drugs should also be a NO GO.
A "how to" forum where people can help other member in everything from how to make a professional backdrop (what colors work best etc.) to how to set up a party the best way (economical aspects etc.). I guess you can call it a "Tips & Ideas" forum could be great to have here
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 13:53
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lucidpicnic
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 19:36
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well done Big Brother!!! it worked!!!
it is really pathetic to see how people are scared to discuss psychedelics.
very useful topic to see that, cheers.
pathetic.simply pathetic.
mr. detox decided its 'psytrance music' forum only,
enlightened brain moki is whining about this would be taking responsibility for the "psychedelic abuse'',
solid snake is showing the door for erowid and other sites, like it or leave it huh? for fucks sake.
oh and maine says 'some of us are 'clean' '...you have a fucking dirty mind, i'll tell you that.
wow! i am impressed to see the reactions for the freedom of speech, and yes, freedom of speech to talk about anything , anywhere.
shame on you people.
oh and again, you are all
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 19:42
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On 2010-12-04 19:36, lucidpicnic wrote:
well done Big Brother!!! it worked!!!
it is really pathetic to see how people are scared to discuss psychedelics.
very useful topic to see that, cheers.
pathetic.simply pathetic.
mr. detox decided its 'psytrance music' forum only,
enlightened brain moki is whining about this would be taking responsibility for the "psychedelic abuse'',
solid snake is showing the door for erowid and other sites, like it or leave it huh? for fucks sake.
oh and maine says 'some of us are 'clean' '...you have a fucking dirty mind, i'll tell you that.
wow! i am impressed to see the reactions for the freedom of speech, and yes, freedom of speech to talk about anything , anywhere.
shame on you people.
oh and again, you are all
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I'm not scared. Just very tired of the drug topic/debate. There are so many other aspects in life and music. But I am aware of some have drugs as their main focus in life. To me music IS the drug. I dont need anything else and I do not think its cool to do drugs and influence younger people to use drugs at parties.
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lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 19:49
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fuck off beat agency..yep fuck off...now you can whine about language too and try to go off focus from the discussion.
how do you know that we won't discuss its not good to take psychedelics in the parties?
how did you come to the conclusion that we will talk like,, ohh drugs are so good, lets take them at parties, oh yeah acid, oh yeah this and that...
all of you guys thought about drug propaganda. no thanks. i really don't like suggesting people and tell them go take this, go take that.
my first concern was safety, then mystical experiences and mind altering.
who gives a fuck.
you guys are missing the whole point...
really discussing this stuff with you here is energy wasted for nada.
''to me music is the drug' you say, well we didn't ask you that. we are not talking about your taste.
so seriously...fuck off!
really boring to see how people try to ignore the whole point.
off from that discussion.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Dec 4, 2010 19:57
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