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Israel is No.1 in Research and Developement.
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superflyers
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 17:34
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darkiller
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Posted : Mar 24, 2005 14:22
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hehehe also on mobile phones,almost evrey kid from the age of 11, has got a mobile here
we israeli's just love the  bla bla bla
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 24, 2005 17:28
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http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_HDI.pdf
..for the real facts
..in luxemburg there are over a thousand cellphones per 1000 people 
btw in finland there are almost 1/3 as many people out of a million in reserch and development than the next ranking
7710 out of a million. Israel for example is only 1563   "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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superflyers
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 02:36
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http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_HDI.pdf
..for the real facts
I read your facts---
sorry but I was comparing Mexico to Cuba---totally off.
These facts are b.s.
The facts I listed are from technology trend and Government reports.
According to your data--(which is totally biased) we should all move to Norway.
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 12:00
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isn't that the same link i just gave?
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 13:43
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Any table that has "Human Development Index" as a title for one of the columns stinks of condenscending racism. Shame that people take this crap seriously. Because of this shit people think that all of the people in China, India, Africa and most of the world in general are less 'developed' than other people - MONEY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT, it is a personal thing, and in that, the happiest and by far the most mature people I ever came across were from "3rd world" countries. The most childish and ignorant ones were from Europe and the US - because they took things like a "Human Development Index" as the general context.
"Monitoring human development: enlarging people's choices..." in this case can be translated directly to: "Monitoring other people: telling them what is best for them..."
ok, enough ranting.
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 14:44
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Well kaz I disagree. HDI looks at stuff like child mortality rate, % of population who know how to read, average life span, education, corruption...
It's a cold hard fact that Western Europe and North America are much ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to that..
It has a little to do with money and much to do with history. Did you ever consider that you have no chance of coming across the not so fortunate ones living in say Africa? Or well obviously you do but you have to go there, they can't come here. Obviously things are great for people who live in 3rd world countries and still can afford to travell. They're bloody rich back home. Have you seen any happy starving children? Have you seen any happy journalists who are executed because they wrote something critical about their goverment? Do you think it's respectfull to end demonstration with tanks and slaughter of thousands of people? Or is't better than people are free to raise their voice? "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 17:15
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That is bullshit.
Look at the headlines. "High human development", "medium human development", "low human development". Let me tell you that the Nazis also said that the people of the slavic countries are "less developed". Ohh wait, now "less developed" is racist, but "low human development" isn't.
Personally, I have friends that are poverty stricken in the western sense, but these are some of the people that lead the richest lives that I know. I know out of experience of friends and family about what goes on in 3rd world countries in much more details than this collection of not-necessarily-backed statistics. But wait, within a country you CAN say that each person is different, but otherwise, no you can't? When it comes to a country you can say "whoever has more money leads a better life", but when it comes to your own, and you look at your own salary you say "hey, that's total bullshit".
Show me somone who says he can measure something like life (or "development", whatever that means), I can say I have met someone that's full of shit. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 18:04
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They aren't talking about human properties (like the nazis for example did), but how things are going in countries. If you don't see the difference in that. You see the whole report in wrong way. It's not about persons, it's about countries and statistics.
Like for example according to CIA World factbook infant mortality rate is 3,59 out of a thousand in Finland, 7,21 in Israel and 64,32 in Bangladesh. Out of people over 15 years of age 100% can read in Finland. The same figure is 94.5% in Israel and 43.1% in Bangladesh. Finland's GDP per capita is $27,400. Israel's figure is $19,800 and Bangladesh's $1,900.
HDI takes hundreds of figures of that kind and then pics the "winners". It's not that suprising that life is a hell of a lot more secure in Norway than for example Afganistan..
there's nothing rasistic to it..
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 19:00
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Politics, here?
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 21:56
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Kinda - but it's a more basic point.
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"Human Development Index"
"Monitoring human development: enlarging people's choices..."
"High human development", "medium human development", "low human development"
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How about suicide rates, does that count for development? That's the best measurement to how satisfied people are, and Scandinavia ranks the worst in the world in this measurement. Ohh wait, that's very high in the western world in general and you don't see it here, so it has nothing to do with "human development". The most important figures can't be put in numbers. If you don't see this, than either you are narrowminded in extremes or you simply lack basic understanding of human nature.
The fact that people sum "human development" as a few columns is between extreme stupidity to lack of scientific ethics. Because these numbers give you a twisted view of the world - the problem with percents is that they make you think there are only 100 people out there 
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superflyers
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Posted : May 16, 2005 06:32
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Well , I agree with Kaz....
I took the time to read the "facts" "traveller" presented----and actually looked some of the "facts" up to do some comparision research---and frankly they are biased---and not true.
I try to give all persons a chance by listening to the arguments or perspectives they present. But---the perspectives must begin with solid--true--science based facts---in order to gain my respect.
I here some of the stuff traveler says--but it needs to be backed up with something more solid.
I suggest you go back and do some more research and present more convincing data before presenting your case for argument.
In the meantime. The whole point of me presenting this dialouge (srting) in the first place, was to show some facts on how amazing and proud I am to see Israel is really starting to show the world what it will become.
Look to Israel to start developing it's minerals also. With overpopulation becoming more evident in the world---Underneath the Dead Sea---there is enough potash ( a key element for creating high grade fertilizer) to fuel a very booming economy for Israel.
Like it or not. Israel holds the keys to the past, present and future.
Best wishes and regards to all.
Superfly.
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traveller
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Posted : May 16, 2005 15:22
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Oh "my facts"? I think they are facts straight from UN and the later ones from CIA world Fact book (search www.cia.gov if you want to know more).. and they both have very similar figures..
and frankly they're all true
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superflyers
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Posted : May 25, 2005 20:41
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Well my friend, the fact I have are from:
World Bank, Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.
I am not sure I trust the CIA. |
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NextWorld
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Posted : May 25, 2005 22:32
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I am not sure I trust the CIA.
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But you do trust the World Bank? |
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