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Is this section too positive in reviews?
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Gunter
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 09:11:11
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Is this section too positive in reviews? What do you think?
Sometimes I would love to read more negative critiques here, because they are also very important for valuing, but it`s mostly positive, which is not so positive for me 
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Bodhisattva
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 09:37
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Well, I can tell you that I write only about music that I like, reviews, responses and starting threads. Of course not about all the music that I like, because there is just too much. . .
I don't see the point in writing bad things about an album I don't like. Why wasting time ?
I think that the people here are very honest and even though the reviews and responses here are mostly positive, you can still see a negative review here and there. The important thing is that most of the opinions here are honest, no matter if they are positive or negative.
Cheers !
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Gunter
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 10:15
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Ya, I handle it nearly the same, but for the reader isn`t it also important to have some negative critique here and there? I think, it is important and not wasting time. And in other places /sections there is more negative critique I guess.
I have the feeling (and I am watching this forum since 2002 I guess), that too much people only are writing, when they like something, but not if they dislike something. This makes this place over-positive. Searching the real value given by the forum to a certain musical work is nearly only possible by comparing the amount of positive statements for one album to the amount of positive statements for another album. Which is also a way, of cause. It just sometimes feels strange to only read positive, it feels "unreal".
But in the end it might be understandable from the writer-perspective, just not optimal for the reader-perspective. If a reader, a newbe, is searching for chill out to buy, he will find thousands of topics filled with positive statements. But what to choose? Everything is super here
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Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 11:49
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On 2010-10-31 16:12, Gunter wrote:
- that it`s good and clever to be nice in a forum (also in outside world)
- that people take things personally very easily
- that the chance pf misinterpretation in forums is really big
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constructive criticism is something i appreciate most as both reader and receiver.
it's more helpful to know WHY one likes or dislikes something. but this means the writer has to think a bit longer about the music and the feelings and thoughts that arise while listening to it. i think it's also good to point out some things one didn't like even if the whole review would be positive (or the other way round) since one very rarely dislikes or enjoys everything on an album. adding something "positive" and "negative" to every review balances it out.
sadly the fast food culture has invaded the realm of music too. i see it in the way we gobble down music (from the internet). i know, it's the future or the present condition atleast or whatever but i think it has lead to deflation of the value of music. it's simple: something is more special when you get less of it. there is a distinctive difference between the way one listens to one or two albums bought or lent from the library and skipping through the gigas of data d.loaded while one was at work. in the 1st example one really concentrates on what one has at hand and in the 2nd it's more about skipping and jumping around in folders impatiently looking for something worth while. and i say these approaches on music already make a huge difference: getting INTO the music vs. waiting something to HIT YOU.
probably i'm over generalizing and forgetting
that special music will always affect you no matter where or how you find it. nevertheless i'm concerned about us forgetting the spiritual aspect of music in these times of overconsumption and thus also the wellbeing of us as resonating bodies.
phew, where did that come from?
did you spike my morning tea? 
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Bodhisattva
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 13:20
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On 2010-11-01 10:15, Gunter wrote:
If a reader, a newbe, is searching for chill out to buy, he will find thousands of topics filled with positive statements. But what to choose? Everything is super here
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Well, he or she will just have to listen to the samples |
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Gunter
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 13:42
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Ya, right. And in this, what I call "unreal" over-positive enviroment, there are also some / many gems, which just need to be found. Just the work for the searcher / finder is relatively big. |
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McKennaDMT
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 15:51
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Or they could just ask for a top ten or something. Or Isratrance could sticky a post at the top of this forum... |
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vector_0
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 16:32
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well said, Outolintu
I think there aren't more negative reviews here because our "genre" is too small to tolerate it. negative reviews seem cruel and unproductive to our favorite music as a whole when directed at small-time up-and-coming indie chillout artists. if its bad, no one will listen to it or talk about it, plain and simple.
I think negative criticism starts to become more useful when directed at artists/labels that sell thousands and thousands of copies regardless of who speaks ill of it on the blue pages. Remember how hard the last Entheogenic album was trashed in this forum? And I'm pretty sure Shpongle gets criticized on a regular basis around these parts.
there's more to this story, but i'm done writing for now
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Misha_
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 16:49
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I agree that most of reviews from ambient crew are 100% postitive.Maybe good advise will be not only to read reviews because there is a lot of objective and non positive thoughts in release threads.There i found lots of good opinions with nice and mostly objective arguments why is something good or bad.In reviews you can`t found that or I still didn`t found it.However for everyone who read this ambient section i think here it can have better look on releases than in reviews section.Combination of very objective and argumented speak that exist here and 2 min samples should be a nice "road sign" what to buy.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 23:27
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I don't think this forum provides decent objective reviews, but nonetheless what people have to say [especially the "why" as outolintu points out] combined with 2 minute samples should give those interested some signposts as to what they should check out further. embedding soundcloud tracks means that people can just use their ears.
one factor in this over positive environment is that most people put goodwill above the need to speak out. If i'm not impressed with a release someone is trying to promote here then for the most part i'll not intrude, drip poison or try to burst bubbles.
that kind of comment usually says more about the person commenting than it does about the music they are passing judgement on. And it risks turning a discussion about someone's work into a useless back and forth that ends up unrelated to the music in question.
so even if i dislike the music someone is posting about there is very little reason for me to post something negative about it.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 00:42
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This is why Maux is here.
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herbivore
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 04:41
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I'm with Andrew on this one.
If somebody really dislikes an album, I don't mind hearing why, as long as the criticism is constructive and respectful. The problem is that many of the "negative" reviews are neither. |
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Bom*shankar
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 08:58
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i alwas say what i think in an honest and straightforward way. but i rather spend my precious time writing in length about (and listening to) music i like then about music i dont like. there's too much shit floating around.
anyway gunter, what's wrong with some postitive vibes for a change? |
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Gunter
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 09:46
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Nothing is negative about positive vibes. Just the presence of only positive vibes makes it hard for the reader, who is not familar with chill, to pick a good album, that`s my only point.
I can understand, why people are only positive. There are a bunch of reasons, mentioned in above statements. But still I would be happy, if there would be more, of cause constructive, negative criticism, because that helps a lot. But I am aware, that this prob. won`t happen.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 17:10
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On 2010-11-02 00:42, A.Rosengren wrote:
This is why Maux is here.
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ah, the dark side? 
but m delivers also the why... and then some!
yeah, i've been waiting for his input and for shahar's reply after that  "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby |
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