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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 17:22
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"The vast majority of applicants are granted permission to board an aircraft to the US. "So far, 99.6 per cent of those registering have been approved, most within four seconds," says the US Embassy. The four in 1,000 turned down are either told "Travel Not Authorized" or "Authorization pending" and asked some more questions. "
With emphasis on:"most within four seconds"
It is more than probable that if you do your application using the commercial sit, you don't get your "Travel Not Authorized" or "Authorization pending" answer.....
It's a scam and should be avoided by all means. the same thing happened to a friend of mine for a long term Visa.....I just spoke with him, since he just flew in from France. In the case of the visa, he went through a commercial website, payed is due, and got scam...This time he filled up the electronic travel authorization, with the correct site, didn't have to pay, and got is answer right away. It's nobody's fault if you're not correctly informed.....But now we know..... |
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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 18:23
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So,
I just got an other email from Stef.....He received an email from Air France a couple of days latter after being refused to board, telling about the new regulation
(he sent me a copy of it)..... Obviously, the commercial sit he went on didn't transfer his application... |
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bbgun
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 18:37
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On 2009-02-04 01:32, Lauryn wrote:
I believe the cost to apply for the performer visa is about $320....
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And 420 for the psytrancers  |
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Lauryn
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 00:24
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So was the reason for the denial because he did not file the form properly, or because immigration knew he was playing at a party or a combination of the two?
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On 2009-02-04 18:23, Gui"AUM"etriX wrote:
So,
I just got an other email from Stef.....He received an email from Air France a couple of days latter after being refused to board, telling about the new regulation
(he sent me a copy of it)..... Obviously, the commercial sit he went on didn't transfer his application...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 03:40
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If the paperwork is not correct then the second issue is a moot point.
Customs doesn't really care if you're coming for party reasons as long as you don't have any A.) Bombs B.) Liquor bottles containing cobras with scorpions in their mouths submerged in alcohol (real) or other such contraband.
If you come from a country that requires certain paperwork and it's not correct for you, they're required to immediately deport and/or investigate.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 05:16
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this sounds like a pissed off rat to me.....aka rival promoter or the like
Sure, there are probly international artists who dabble in the darker shades of the law, which I can see lbecoming a problem as more and more law enforcement entities make new connections with each other each day. Do Phatmatix have a legal problem in France?
Otherwise, seems like somebody PURPOSEFULLY did whatever they could to put him on the radar for whatever reason... Although the whole work/travel issue is pretty fucked up, it's also seemingly somewhat porous to an acceptable point, but I'm sure that if tipped off, they WILL turn your ass around
I remember one time, I was 13 visiting my father in Canada for a long weekend....for some reason, the customs agent, without mentioning to me, decided I was attempting to immigrate. So, got in line, and after three hours, I decide that this a. is ridiculously wrong and b.if allowed to play out, was probably going to take the ENTIRE weekend, so snuck (crawling) through the mass of Pakistani, Cuban, and French people, walked right up to the guard, who pointed his assault rifle at me and told me to get back in line, in the back of the seemingly motionless yet growing mass waiting for that sweet taste of Canadian air....I refused consistently, demanding his superior or a immigration/customs officer....somehow, instead of my antics landing me in a bright room with no windows, I got my wish (pre-911 glory days when all you needed were to pairs o socks to bring back any duty-free item you could fit), the working manager of immigration at the toronto area....when I got in his office, I could see my father pacing back and forth and screaming at anyone who seemed to be employed by the airport.... thankfully, I explained to him that I was verifiably that mans son, and two hours later, one complimentary order of poutine later, I was through
Moral of the  story, Customs is a breeze 95% of the time...but should not be taken for granted for instances such as these...for everyones sake, explain to your artist as best as you can that you'll happilly pay him 2 grand for a copy of his cd, but cannot give him money for his performance
oR suumtin like that
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mubali
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 21:23
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This new form is something that a lot of people will get confused about as long as people don't know about it. Being someone who travels a lot internationally, I know that if you don't have the right paperwork filled out, they will not let you in at all. If Phatmatix didn't go to the right site to fill out his stuff, then especially with a new policy he would be denied entry. A lot of airlines when coming to the US look to see if you have all your paperwork handled, and will not let you board from the original country you left from if it isn't handled. This is because it's much easier to deny you boarding the plane from your home country than to put you on a flight back to the country you left from. There used to be a thing where if you were denied entry into any country that you were flown back to the country you left from at the airlines expense. This happened to Chromie a couple of years ago going to the UK.
He was denied entry to the UK for not having a return flight and a good cover story (probably having blue hair at the time didn't help either) and he ended up having to fly back to Germany where he left from.
I also had an issue where I almost wasn't let out of the EU because my documents were a bit damaged.... I was in Latvia, trying to fly to Kiev and my passport was water damaged. The Latvian immigration control had to call the US embassy to make sure I was who I said I was, and that was after 2 hours of waiting when it should have been an easy process.
Anyway, when dealing with bringing any sort of person from outside of the country, it is VITAL that you know all the procedures that are necessary to grant entry into the country. Sure it can be the artist's responsibility to know what all he needs to get there, but it's also on the person who is bringing that person to make sure that the artist has all the proper info too. Considering Phatmatix has been to the US before, I'm sure that this is just an issue with the new policy that is maybe a few weeks old now.
So, let's not make assumptions that other orgs are actually sabotaging performers coming into the country, because that hurts all orgs in this country, and makes that particular artist less inclined to even come here. Let's just be a bit rational and try not to fuel this seemingly tireless barrage of accusations. All this will do is escalate a deteriorating social structure between nightlife organizers in New York, and if that happens, nobody wins.
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Quasga
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 22:12
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On 2009-02-07 05:16, FattyAcid wrote:
and two hours later, one complimentary order of poutine later, I was through
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Mmmmmmmm, cheeeeese cuuuurd and graaaaavy. 
 The inquisitors might be watching our eating habits...
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 7, 2009 23:48
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I think greg hit the nail on the head..
I highly doubt it was sabotage, more likely just not proper document filing. I'd like to think that new york isnt THAT cut throat...
but if you are.. well I'll stay down south where the scenes support each other's shows. = ]
maybe someone ask phatmatix if he filled out the new form? it would be a simple solution to the question at hand..
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mubali
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 01:12
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On 2009-02-04 18:23, Gui"AUM"etriX wrote:
So,
I just got an other email from Stef.....He received an email from Air France a couple of days latter after being refused to board, telling about the new regulation
(he sent me a copy of it)..... Obviously, the commercial sit he went on didn't transfer his application...
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I think that's exactly what happened...
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scobbah
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 17:41
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Reminder! 
Speaking of paperwork, if there's someone here who may enter the US on the Waivers Programme and is going to travel to the US soon, remember that you have to enter some of your personal data in the ESTA database (basically it's the same info you used to provide the customs with using the green waivers form). If you've forgotten to register your trip with ESTA, they won't let you on the plane.
Personally, I find it far-fetched that the customs would be googling psytrance artists. Just keep it cool when talking with the customs and everything should be fine.
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 19:58
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On 2009-02-07 21:23, mubali wrote:
This new form is something that a lot of people will get confused about as long as people don't know about it. Being someone who travels a lot internationally, I know that if you don't have the right paperwork filled out, they will not let you in at all. If Phatmatix didn't go to the right site to fill out his stuff, then especially with a new policy he would be denied entry. A lot of airlines when coming to the US look to see if you have all your paperwork handled, and will not let you board from the original country you left from if it isn't handled. This is because it's much easier to deny you boarding the plane from your home country than to put you on a flight back to the country you left from. There used to be a thing where if you were denied entry into any country that you were flown back to the country you left from at the airlines expense. This happened to Chromie a couple of years ago going to the UK.
He was denied entry to the UK for not having a return flight and a good cover story (probably having blue hair at the time didn't help either) and he ended up having to fly back to Germany where he left from.
I also had an issue where I almost wasn't let out of the EU because my documents were a bit damaged.... I was in Latvia, trying to fly to Kiev and my passport was water damaged. The Latvian immigration control had to call the US embassy to make sure I was who I said I was, and that was after 2 hours of waiting when it should have been an easy process.
Anyway, when dealing with bringing any sort of person from outside of the country, it is VITAL that you know all the procedures that are necessary to grant entry into the country. Sure it can be the artist's responsibility to know what all he needs to get there, but it's also on the person who is bringing that person to make sure that the artist has all the proper info too. Considering Phatmatix has been to the US before, I'm sure that this is just an issue with the new policy that is maybe a few weeks old now.
So, let's not make assumptions that other orgs are actually sabotaging performers coming into the country, because that hurts all orgs in this country, and makes that particular artist less inclined to even come here. Let's just be a bit rational and try not to fuel this seemingly tireless barrage of accusations. All this will do is escalate a deteriorating social structure between nightlife organizers in New York, and if that happens, nobody wins.
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YES. Listen to this guy
Except for the part about "deteriorating social structure between nightlife organizers in New York". In actual reality, nothing is deteriorating, things are just like they always have been here, more or less... Of course it will never feel like 8 years ago, but nothing ever does...
The overwhelming majority of people involved with events in NY are nice people who mostly get along just fine. Rivalries such as they may be are for the most part good natured. To the outside observer, it may seem like NYC psytrance is a turf war between marauding street gangs. But it is not the case.
I have known, at least casually, almost every single major party generating force in NYC since 2000, I have helped many of them in one way or another, and I have liked and respected the vast majority of them, been glad to help them and if I had to do it all again would still be happy to do it. I think most people here would say the same. There have been very few actual bad people here. Some, but very few.
But because there are a lot of people involved here, and because throwing events in NY can be expensive and difficult.. it is inevitable that conflicts are going to arise. It is inevitable that people will suffer setbacks, lose money, lose patience, sometimes feel they are unappreciated or that their efforts to do the right thing are not noticed or appreciated. But in the long run they almost always are. It is also inevitable that you will have some people who take actions that others may find unethical or worthy of disapproval.. and sometimes even get away with it. But again in the long run these things don't go unnoticed. It is nothing new and the sky is not falling here in NYC. And we will all get some sleep from this weekend and do it all again the next weekend or the one after and we will bicker but we will still get along somehow and mostly still like each other a whole lot
As far as the accusations of sabotage.. such accusations have been made before, usually by armchair quarterbacks who do not fully understand the difficulties of party throwing. They have never proven true. It would be immensely stupid for anyone to do such a thing, and I think everyone knows it. Even if a party organizer were to be despicable enough to do such a thing.. anyone with any sense at all would realize how self-defeating such tactics would be.
The reality is that throwing good parties here is hard.. as anyone who has tried it can tell you. Even when you do everything right, sometimes it doesn't work out. But doing things wrong with visa's, even a little bit.. just does not end well in post-911 USA, that much is clear.
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mentalcandy
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 20:28
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On 2009-02-08 01:12, mubali wrote:
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On 2009-02-04 18:23, Gui"AUM"etriX wrote:
So,
I just got an other email from Stef.....He received an email from Air France a couple of days latter after being refused to board, telling about the new regulation
(he sent me a copy of it)..... Obviously, the commercial sit he went on didn't transfer his application...
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I think that's exactly what happened...
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so baba, i guess u have to take more care of your passport from now on...... ajajajaja
bOm 
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hardkornate
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Posted : Feb 9, 2009 04:10
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We have learned the hard way that if you bring in international talent, you have to be very careful.
Make sure the event is a benefit of some sort and that your DJ is donating his services for the charity.
Don't link the performer and their real name on the internet.
If they put it on their site, make sure they put it down as a charity gig.
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Axis Mundi
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