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Posted : Feb 3, 2009 21:13
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^^ following up on this yes the indian forum is still monitored to date.....but it was used as a way to find out where the party is taking place and bust those parties ,.
but again in the indian side there are alot of internal politics in the psy scene and ppl are constantly tipping off each other...not happening much anymore since parties are rare now with all the issues the scene has been having with the cops!
we did have a recent bust in mumbai but im not sure if isra was relevant in this case as it was a local NGO that had tipped off the cops if im not mistaken.
who is to stop anyone from going on isra and getting all this info???so enertopia's idea is not far fetched at all but we would need more examples of this happening rather than basing it off on one incident.
if someone did tip off the INS...thats just internal politics in the scene then! ughhhhhhh
sucks!!
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lyricfree
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Posted : Feb 3, 2009 23:54
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people cannot come to the US on a tourist visa if the government knows they will be making money in the US, otherwise they need a special visa- probably one that takes a percentage of the payment.
the gov. needs their money!
how they found out the artist was making money? Not sure. Are we being watched? Probably- was it related to phatmatix incident?- i dont think so.
kindzaza is a whole other story- russia- not a favorable country to the us- so its more difficult to get visas- unless they know they won't stay here. France as in phatmatix case- is strange- shouldn't be a problem- but they must have known he was coming here to play a party n thought he was making $. |
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vaxination
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 00:14
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On 2009-02-03 19:31, Hidroponik wrote:
well, here's another angle of it. How about those guys like tiesto? paul van dyk? carl cox? any of the very very popular RAVE dj's from overseas, they don't really seem to have a problem coming over here every month for residencies in new york and los angeles club's and massive raves with thousands of people.
i really think this appears to be an isolated incident. Maybe these folks have proved to their government that they are coming home. I think its very difficult to ignore Tiesto or Armin Van Buren walking through LA airport with 4 crates of records, a laptop, headphones, midi controller and maybe a small entourage of people without saying, "hey are you on tourist visa?, then go home!"
I wonder what kind of visa's the rockstar dj's have to allow them to cross our borders monthly, and sometimes even weekly as they trot all over planet earth sharing their form of electronic dance music.
something tells me here that money talks, and unfortunately the psy scene doesn't have any money, so maybe we're not bribing the right officials when it comes time to bring our favorite act across the pond.
food for thought
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one needs to only look at the agencies that book those acts. they handle all aspects of routing and as a result the artists make it through. chances are its a work visa and the hiring corporation would be the booking agency, hence legitimate taxable income, the kind the IRS loves. food for thought.
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Lauryn
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 01:32
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I do not know the details of what happened with Phatmatix being denied entry into the US, however, the immigration officer would definitely not go to such measures as googling the individuals name unless Phatmatix himself had said something that sounded questionable to the officer. Entry to the US is always at the discretion of the individual officer- if you have ever entered the US after being abroad you know that the questions they ask always differ slightly. The best thing that promoters can do to avoid artists being denied entry to the US is to be sure that they know what to say to the immigration officer (i.e. visiting friends in the US and be sure to know full names and addresses) and to never offer up any unnecessary information other than what is specifically being asked.
Artists such as Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk, or Carl Cox are definitely entering the US on P-1 performer visas. I copied the information and requirements to obtain the visa below...(sorry so long)
I'm interested to know if any psytrance promoters have ever tried to obtain this visa on behalf of an artist?
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P-1 classification applies to individual or team athletes, or members of an entertainment group that are internationally recognized (25,000);
A P-1 petition may be filed by a US employer or organization, a foreign employer, or by a US agent. The petition must include the following information: any written contract between the alien and the petitioner, or, if there is no written contract, a thorough description of their oral agreement; an explanation of the event and an itinerary; and a consultation from a labor organization.
When the application is being filed on behalf of an entertainment group, the petition must include details about each person’s length of membership in the group. The petition must also demonstrate the group’s sustained international recognition. This may be done in two ways, first by nomination or receipt of awards for outstanding achievement in the field, and second, by submitting three of the following types of evidence:
The group has and will continue to perform a starring role in productions or events with a distinguished reputation, evidenced by reviews, advertisements, press releases, contracts, or endorsements,
The group has international recognition, evidenced by reviews in papers, trade journals, etc.,
The group has and will continue to perform a starring role in productions or events with a distinguished reputation, evidenced by articles in newspapers, trade journals, etc.,
The group has had commercial success
The group has gained significant recognition for achievements from leaders in the field, or
The group commands a high salary compared to others similarly situated.
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I believe the cost to apply for the performer visa is about $320....
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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 01:36
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Enertopia
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 01:46
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NO, he was stopped BEFORE boarding, his name was expected to be stopped BEFORE the boarding, so it means, officials knew it and he was expected.
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On 2009-02-03 10:52, rashka wrote:
Hey guyz,
im so sorry i couldnt make it for the party, but there was nothing i could do, at the last mn i was refused on board... i think my case and athrioms are linked.. www.myspace.com/enertopiapsy |
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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 02:15
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Inside Travel: Last-minute trips outlawed by new US travel red tape
Do you want to visit the US without a visa – and without giving notice of your intentions? Then be spontaneous today or tomorrow, because from Monday a new and permanent hurdle will stand in the way of your travel plans.
What is changing?
For more than 20 years, the vast majority of British visitors to America have entered the US under the Visa Waiver Program. This involves filling in a green form, code name I-94W, while on board the flight to America. But from Monday 12 January, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is introducing a new set of rules.
The DHS wants to make sure that prospective visitors are scrutinised by a range of US security agencies before they are allowed to board a plane to America. So every traveller hoping to enter without a visa must enrol at least three days in advance through the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (Esta). The only acceptable method of applying for permission to travel to the US will be online.
Why the new rules?
"Getting this information in advance enables our frontline personnel to determine whether a visa-free traveller presents a threat before boarding an aircraft," says Michael Chertoff, the outgoing US Secretary of Homeland Security. "Esta is one way that we are trying to make travel to the United States even easier," adds the US ambassador to Britain, Robert Tuttle.
Some have suggested that the new system is a response to the perceived growth of religious extremism in European countries, whose citizens are able to access the US more easily.
But many in the travel industry are furious about the extra complexity Esta will involve. Travel industry insiders predict much confusion in the early stages of the Esta scheme, particularly for transit passengers. (Even if you are only changing planes in America, you will still need to register).
It is believed that some leniency will be granted in the first few weeks, but there is no guarantee of this.
Where do I start?
Tap "Esta" into a well-known search engine, and the first entry is for a website called esta.us – the front page for a commercial enterprise, seeking to profit from confusion about the new system by charging a $50 fee for a "Travel Authorization Application Guide". Do not pay any fee; initially, the DHS is not charging for the application procedure, but there is no guarantee that it will stay this way. The official government site has a long address, so The Independent Traveller has constructed a shorter one: tiny.cc/1AuSY.
What information must I provide?
Tourists and business travellers must provide "the biographical and eligibility information currently required on the paper I-94W form". This includes place and date of birth and passport data, plus a lot of trip-specific information, ranging from the flight number to the address where you will be staying. You must also confirm an absence from communicable diseases and that you are not "seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities", among other things.
I can't book flights or a hotel until I know I'll be let in
Plenty of prospective travellers have spotted this "Catch 22". The US Embassy in London says that you can apply without knowing every detail of your itinerary, and simply revisit your online file when your plans are settled.
What are my chances?
The vast majority of applicants are granted permission to board an aircraft to the US. "So far, 99.6 per cent of those registering have been approved, most within four seconds," says the US Embassy. The four in 1,000 turned down are either told "Travel Not Authorized" or "Authorization pending" and asked some more questions.
Successful applicants are granted permission to board a plane. However, the Embassy stresses "an approved Esta is not a guarantee of admissibility to the United States at a port of entry".
When should I apply?
At least three days in advance, but no longer than two years ahead. Once permission has been granted, you can make further trips by updating the travel information on your application.
Exceptions will be made for late applications from people who have to make last-minute journeys for pressing personal reasons.
Do I still fill in a form on the plane?
Yes, though airlines are working with the US authorities to remove this requirement.
What happens to my personal data?
US authorities will retain the information for 15 years.
What about kids?
The new rule applies equally to children and babies.
I have a US visa
Journalists, convicted criminals and such like who have valid visas are in luck: they need not register, and they can travel at short notice.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 04:25
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NeuroNympho
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 05:41
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You don't see Psy artist playing in warehouses, lofts or at some campground (I don't think I've ever seen them at a rave, clubs only)
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Meant to say that you never see mainstream electronic artist playing at these places, whoops!
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mubali
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 08:19
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Interesting to see that this act was put into play by the last administration as the last finger to the international community. I wonder if the current administration is gonna do anything about it. This will create an issue for a lot of people, but I'm sure that since it's becoming known, the orgz can be more on the ball about getting everyone in with little worry. I didn't really see anything online about that before, so it must have kinda snuck in on us.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 08:53
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I imagine, certainly, that the term different strokes for different folks applies here
I am not aware of the incidents with either Phatmatix or Atriohm, but with emphasis on the latter, would like to know why and for how long these artists are denied entry. (PM me please if you would be so kind, those involved)
This certainly extends the height of an already troublesome hurdle of getting international independent musicians into America to perform...I think this issue MIGHT have something to do with the Crazy Ducks abscence @ Spectra Inertia, as he didn't end up ever setting foot in America (unless a party happened the same weekend of Spectra w/ the crazy ducks in new york unadvertised), as with this issue in mind, I tried to keep discussions flexible though concrete, eventually leading to losing the date
On one hand, its nice to have agreements on payment, etc for the artists and promoters own good.....then, on the other, if you do enter a contract with an artist and for some reason the very existence of said agreement causes them to be denied entry, then those of us without the "international media notariety" requisite for a P1 are kinda screwed on getting one in the future
Then again, Mushroom mag is CERTAINLY international, so most orgs should have at least a blurb about their group that I would certainly reference as international noteriety.
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Repsychle
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 11:55
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The Atriohm boys were denied their visas due to not having a "job" in Macedonia, and not being able to provide any kind of proof of income...
In Phatmatix's case, the immigration officers had prior knowledge of him coming to new york to play a show,
how they knew? we can only speculate... but googling him is a kind of a far fetched thought... besides its not like hes such a big name and was going to come perform at some gaiant corporate gig, the only way for the to find out it seems is most likely that someone called them and tipped them off...
I hope nothing like this ever happens to any other orgz anywhere good luck to everyone with getting their artists in, and i hope there are no asshole promoters/orgz in your area who would do something like this just to spite...if this is what our scene is turning to be then we don't see ourselves staying for too long...
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Gui"AUM"etriX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 15:24
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Ok guys,
I got an email back from Stef and he told me that he actually did fill up an online travel authorization and pay is $50....
The problem that he got scam, this service is free of charge:"Tap "Esta" into a well-known search engine, and the first entry is for a website called esta.us – the front page for a commercial enterprise, seeking to profit from confusion about the new system by charging a $50 fee for a "Travel Authorization Application Guide". Do not pay any fee; initially, the DHS is not charging for the application procedure, but there is no guarantee that it will stay this way."
So, please let the artists know about the right way to proceed with the online travel authorization.
The link for the official website is:
https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta.html?_flowExecutionKey=_c6DC373E5-2800-1CD3-E171-67AF76817A26_kB89C5906-E027-2C9E-E05A-40689B437C2C
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 16:33
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^^^So why wasn't Stef told " you messed up on your ESTA" rather than "you are playing at a party" ???
THIS seems kind of far-fetched. He messes up on his Esta which leads to the people at the airport finding out he's playing at a party and denying him entry based on those grounds? This is certainly an important travel document and people should take note, but I dont think this has anything to do with Phatmatix's case.
Also: When you type in ESTA into Google, the first RESULT that comes up is the official U.S. customs and border website. The first ADVERTISEMENT that comes up is ESTA.US. Don't confuse advertisements with legitimate search results people! We are all visitors to this time, this place. We are just passing through. Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love... and then we return home. |
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 16:50
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And looking into "esta.us". It's like a middle man where you don't need one, definitely a scam, but they do legitimately send your application to the DHS. So, there is no reason to waste anybody's money on this, but if one where to go through esta.us they would still end up having their application sent in to the same channels as if they did it the correct, free way (Gui"AUM"etriX's link)
So ESTA.US is for sure a scam, but not the reason Phatmatix was denied entrance into US.
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