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Is this Forum a Virtual Battlefield,Web Wrestling or a Children sand box?
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dj X.P.
XP Voodoo
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 21:47
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Ladies and Gentelmen!The members and visitors of this lovely Forum.Respected Moderators!
I wanted to put this thread long time ago,but it is supposed to be long one,so
now I feel to do it.
Without any personal feelings,I will try to anilise some,not very pleasant situations which
are happening and growing up inside the Forum for at least last couple years,and I will appriciate a lot,if some you will tell objectively what do you think about all that.
So,as I understand,all Isratrance Forum is devided on the lets say,zones,each of them is dedicated to some specific discussions.
If the replys are going other direction from
the Zone format,it have to be deleted,or go in OFFTOPIC.
As I see,it is not following so much not by
the members not by moderators.
As a result,in few days some of the HOT discussion topics are going totally offline,all pages are the quotes and kinda filosofically,or sarcastic,or just really unpolite argues between 2 or 3 people.Then Moderators deleting some replyes ( better delete ALL threads in this case),and it become worth-ununderstandible argue.If I am just a new reader,I can't even follow the discussion-the answers without questions,and opposite.
It sucks,IMHO.I can't blame and I understand Moderators of the pages-they cant live inside internet,but some of you,people,maybe you avoid to use ALL areas of Forum for your personal virtual vendettas,and start
to discuss it in separate topics,if you want to do it so much,for example, on General Discussion Page?
The other one is more sad for me.
In the idea trance community have to be one tribe,u know, all this story of World Trance Community,Collective Brain,We are the World,Energy Cycles,Cyrcle of Life...It is long time ago story.Wshiiuuu.All hippies dreams flew away and disspeared in the hystory of New Millenium.
NOW is different.All this Dark trance,Full on,commercial,uncommercial,mainstreem,underground bullshit.Deviding by groups.Deviding by styles.And the hateness,based on the style of music,which you listen!!!Incredible shit!!
I think is the new mental sickness of the Century:"This guy is idiot -he listen this commercial crap "(!!),or "This guy released a track on famous label.Sure he makes shit fullon"(!!)or "Party will be shit,is only dark stuff there (!!)
From where all this stereotypes,clishe and cloned ideas?
I understand also that forum is like Virtual Country,as much it is growing up,as much time people have a polemic between them,sometime the polemic is hot,and some people can keep the calmacy or for them it is just a polemic,but some takes it personally and start to go full on inside.Then,u cant shout on your display,emotions not helping so much.So what do do-bacome more rude and agressive.( As a professinal psychologist,I can say that it is calling generally the SBS-Sand Box Sindrome-when the people get overexiting during the arguement,start to shout,hysterically cry,through the things and cant stop.It is named cause it is a usual behave of the little children,when they want to attract the attention or they cant get something and they start to through the sand in each other,and they never stop till parents arrive.80 % of all humans has it,in a pecentage 30 Male/50 Female,but it is usually dissapering around 7-8 years old,then coming back to 40-50% of ppl in the age of 14-19,then usually only 10-15 % have it.SBS.More of people with Maniacal/dipressve psychose and Neurostenia have it as well).
If you saw the Fight Culb,it is about the people having this sindrom,but they found much more productive way to release this power-to fight,to shout,to break.But to look.Eyes to eyes.
Forum is different life and different rools.
No personal eye contact to see the feelings of your opponent inside them.
U dont nee to have a muscles,the speed or the power and to do something openly.Just wait."...ahha...Yes,THIS GUY gave a negative reply on MY topic..ahhha..A!Again!!!Here is the enemy...Aha!He wrote HIS own topic!!""And U dont need to be the master of karate to beat the other guy.Just a nerd in front of your laptop,hyding your names behind some nicks with the strange letter or number combination.No age.No adress.No Foto.NNN.Nobody Know Nothing"Only Web connection ,SBS and the pretends to be Crytic,Philosophic,Sarcastic,The-Guy-Who-KNOWS-EVERYTHING,etc etc etc.
And then You can go fullon and put your shit in any topics,no one knows you really,and even if he is,it is so easy to change a nick name.
This artists,or djs,or party makers,they are different,hahaha,they cant change a forum name-it is just theirs,and yours ,you can do it easy.Today you re b3k,tomorrow 3hd,,aftertomorrow HondA ,baboonacid,Albert Hofmann or whatever.
I personally know the guy,who showed me his (FANTASTIC-he told me) personal game-screw the WEBBER.
He has on one big electonic music forum 7-8 nicks .Each of them has his own life-his the file ,with different names,fotos ,style of writing,his own grammar mistakes,emails and all the story. Some of them are ladies- from 18 to 60 years old.
So sometime he make a topics,and then only him with his 8 characters makes 10-15 pages arguing and fighting or agreeing with eachother.
Do you really think he is the One?
Each forum has the people like this,Usually it is using to pump upper on the page your own topic,but also for pushing other,"opposition"topics down with negative rewievs and making them OFFtopics propositely
Creating WEB Wrestling rings.Heyy!Today Me,John Cena I Call you,Kurt Angel to fight with me .Here.Yeah.YOu!Yeah
If you see,the promotion pages of more Really Good Festivals are full of unobvious crytics BEFORE it started ( not after it finish-this is Ok,if it is obviuos).All the time there are the people who are trying to give to the organisers and people their negative feeling.
All Unneutral Topics-I mean topic about this style or that style-even very peacefully becomes a Battlefield!!""Heiiaaa!This is OUR Castle,and WE WILL DEFEND IT HOWEVER IT WILL COTS US"""
It is really shame how far we are from original idea of Trance Union,but minimum,maybe it is the time for this kind of people become JUST OBJECTIVE and not use this forum for personal conflicts solutions.For this all of you have a private.
I think is the time to start to give more positive feeling and respect to eachother.
What do you think?
PS> I tryed not to go on presonalities,but I can make my own blask list-peopl who alway saying shit.But maybe later
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 21:53
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On 2005-09-22 21:47, dj X.P. wrote:
I can make my own blask list-peopl who alway saying shit.But maybe later
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Please do. I have no doubt that I will the first on that list.. So bite me 
Now I hope the mods delete your post for being offensive and disrespectful to people posting in the forums. Just as you cried for the mods help when we "dared" to critisise your extreme overselling promotion text |
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 21:56
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This topic should come with a warning sticker:
No PLUR Inside.
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rich
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 22:47
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I'm sure a lot of us have gripes about the forum, social behavior theories, etc, but it really comes down to how much it bothers you.
If you're still logging in, it must be above your tolerance level.
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Kryptum
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 22:49
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Templar^
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 22:53
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This one's going to be chaotic and probably off-topic... If so, mods can delete it.
To be honest I haven't read the first post, because of the overwhelming use of Engrish and the lack of space bar usage. Sory, it's not my fault, it's the main poster's fault.
Nevertheless, I must say that I treat this forum as a useful tool of communication with a variety of people from all over the world and a great source of information - after all Isratrance managed to gather those mentioned above, including people behind labels and artists themeselves.
If the only options for You XP are those mentioned in the topic name (Virtual Battlefield, Web Wrestling and Children sand box) then I suggest You move some place else.
One more thing: I've read a certain topic in the promotional section, which was most probably the cause for starting this topic. If you post promotional texts about a CD You have to bear in mind that in the sea of "wink wink nudge nudge great killah CD" there will be at least one person who dares to speak his/her mind in a way, which will not appeal to the person behind the promoting.
One thing is for sure: individualists are a minority.
PS. A pint for HandA.
And now back to our regular programming...
www.ektoplazm.com/2011/panta-deus - download for free Psytrance.pl's 10th anniversary compilation featuring 100% Polish psy-music (goa, prog, dark, full-on, chillout): Artha, Sundial Aeon and many more
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 23:12
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Rich and Templar thumbs up 
Truth hurts and democracy is not such a nice word anymore.
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acidonacid
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 00:14
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shame.
an old artist without respect for the crowd.
the same ppl you dont like here dance at the dancefloor
and buy your CD my boy.
If you dont like us one we dont like you twice.. mr perfect..
(we have black list also) 
Open your mind... |
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dj X.P.
XP Voodoo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 01:06
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Hehe!U can see..it is continuing again...
I just wrote without any personalities about the desease which is exist.
Same people ( these dudes are my personal vendettors:) I can say-they are following my topics and breaking my balls:)-but there are here immedeatly going offtopic,and concentrate on me.I think maybe to make other nick,and send it by other NIckname...Boooo.
As I said I wanted to put this thread a while ago,when I read so much bullshit about future Sonica and Freedom festivals (in june..)you can go and check the way of discussions.
Also there are quite many topics with the personal
feelings inside,which makes them offtopic.Not mine,ah.
And look-I just wrote- in the thread-peace,love,respect eachother,nothing negative.Just the remind to SOME(very some) people( all of them know whom,but I promised not to personalise),to keep the respect to eachother,and go private when u want to argue more hard.
Look what I got-XP this,XP that,NO respect...You re hallucinating?Where is the disrespect to the crowd,my boy?
Then after tell me about it... |
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acidonacid
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 01:40
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first you say
Today you re b3k,tomorrow 3hd,,aftertomorrow HondA ,baboonacid,Albert Hofmann or whatever
and then
I tryed not to go on presonalities,but I can make my own blask list-peopl who alway saying shit.
and later also you say
And look-I just wrote- in the thread-peace,love,respect eachother,nothing negative.Just the remind to SOME(very some) people( all of them know whom,but I promised not to personalise),to keep the respect to eachother,and go private when u want to argue more hard.
Not personalize? respect? If you dont respect us we dont respect you.
Thats all XP
Open your mind... |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 01:52
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On 2005-09-23 01:06, dj X.P. wrote:
Same people ( these dudes are my personal vendettors:) I can say-they are following my topics and breaking my balls
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I only have one nick I use. But I'll be happy to create a few more to feed your Paranoia |
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Templar^
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 08:39
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| I can say-they are following my topics and breaking my balls:)-but there are here immedeatly going offtopic,and concentrate on me.I think maybe to make other nick,and send it by other NIckname... |
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There is a nice word for it. Paranoia.
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Then don't read it. You'll feel healthier and the world will seem PLUR all the way.
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Yeah, calling the forum a Virtual Battlefield, a Web Wrestling and a Children sand box is a really positive way of expressing one's feelings.
That's the end from me, as I don't feel capable of debating with such a person, there are far better forum user of a far greater calliber to debate with. This is just a waste of time. Go grab a book (I suggest a good Eng. dictionary) or make some good music. And please don't flood me with venomous PM's, as some artists/labels did in their past when they saw I wrote something in other various topics that didn't appeal to them. It's just lame.
"That's all folks!" www.ektoplazm.com/2011/panta-deus - download for free Psytrance.pl's 10th anniversary compilation featuring 100% Polish psy-music (goa, prog, dark, full-on, chillout): Artha, Sundial Aeon and many more
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 14:23
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i think u got your answer xp.
it wasn´t even necessary for your personal vendettas (has u claim) 2 express their opinion.
the truth came from others.
ps: i have only one nick since i joined in here. ... |
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dj X.P.
XP Voodoo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 17:04
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to acidonacid.Man,I dont know what you re talking about.
Do you know any members of Forum with the nicks
3hd,,aftertomorrow HondA ,baboonacid,Albert Hofmann ?me,personally no.
Correct me please.
U just proove the fact that I described in my thread,that some topics become a wrestling ring between 2-3 people.Look this topic...good example.
I also put this topic not for debates ( about me,also-you can open separate topic for this or go PM,as I wrote upper).Just to give your personal opinion about what wrote down.
YOu gave it,thank you,lets give the possibility to other people to do this and relax.
And,Templar,I didnt really get the point.I didnt ask to debate,if you see,and also I didnt get a story with English dictionary here:)Sorry,can you explain me it on PM?) |
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 18:55
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On 2005-09-23 17:04, dj X.P. wrote:
Do you know any members of Forum with the nicks
3hd,,aftertomorrow HondA ,baboonacid,Albert Hofmann ?me,personally no.
Correct me please.
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Comon XP, i read your promotional thread and most of the discussion there and i know who these people you're referring to above in this post(am sure they must have been at the back of your head), atleast i think i know one! 
Anyway, you don't have to win every discussion, take the positive things and move on.
Good Luck!
Rather than feeling that you're about to have the rug pulled from under you, let me teach you how to dance on a flying carpet |
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