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IS there still spirituality in trance ??
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 19:44
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well, i think drugs have a litlle bit to do whith it, because the most ancient kind of spirituality or religion was shamanism, and shamans use lots of "psychadelic plants" to get in touch whith the forest spirits or whatever....
i see trance as a modern "shamanic" ritual, the only difference is that everyone is a shaman himself, but not everyone realises that!! Some people go to trance partys for the music, others for tha gathering, others just to take drugs.....
I go and try to find out a litlle more about myself and what surrounds me, the people, the place, the "spirituality" of trance, and also to enjoy a REALLY GOOD TIME!! 
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Dr_Faguntes
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 20:05
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On 2004-07-08 14:46, Zombi wrote:
how much would you pay for good quality spirtual expirience ?
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I'm with mr Zombi here.
Example: If you pay 100 euros for boom 2004 ticket you'll be able to see the light and upgrade your consciousness to a higher level. (at least that's what they say)
Sarcastic? When you have partys full of drug delaers and many other type of criminals (at least here in Portugal), if you talk loud about spirituality, they will run to you and sell you a good dose of that for 5 euros.
It's sad but nowadays I find more psychedelic culture in other music style events than in trance partys. Still, I miss those times where the trance partys where the maximum expression of the psychedelic culture in our country. But what can you expect when the average age of the party goers decreased from 25 to 17 years? |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 21:06
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On 2004-07-08 20:05, Dr_Faguntes wrote:
Sarcastic? When you have partys full of drug delaers and many other type of criminals (at least here in Portugal), if you talk loud about spirituality, they will run to you and sell you a good dose of that for 5 euros.
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 yeah you're right Dr_Fagundes, in Portugal this is really true!! But i think things work this way in our country because our youth is a litlle bit, how should i say this.....without culture! I mean, our youth is really stupid and doesn't care about anything but themselves!!
there are few whith someting we can call consciousness (and you know this is true)! how can we expect that a bunch "dope-lovers" and "mitras" and who knows what else, feel some kind of spirituality when they DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS??!!
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On 2004-07-08 20:05, Dr_Faguntes wrote:
It's sad but nowadays I find more psychedelic culture in other music style events than in trance partys.
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"ENA PÁ 2000" "Irmãos Catita" - this is REALLY PSYCHADELIC to me!!
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korda
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 04:41
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On 2004-07-08 16:56, spliffnik wrote:
the more commercial and mainstream it gets with these 20000 ppl festivals charging 100 bucks a ticket and Pop song remixes, the less spirituality it will have.
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this is why |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 07:03
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the spiritual vapors that were an essential element of mid-90s Goa Trance is what drew me into it, and inspired me to think big and follow it around the globe and surrender my deepest inner spaces to it.
For me 'spiritual vibe' is the ONLY reason I ever allowed myself to get into 'electronic music' and 'parties'.
when the music gets crucified & turned oppsite..like dark "Satanic Trance"... or marketed into a mass entertainment commodity...then you're going to start to run into a weird and bad trip with none of the original vibe and magic that has kept it going for 10-12 years now...
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udit
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 12:17
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On 2004-07-08 16:56, spliffnik wrote:
the more commercial and mainstream it gets with these 20000 ppl festivals charging 100 bucks a ticket and Pop song remixes, the less spirituality it will have.
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this is why
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WTF
how does that make sense... i think thats completely bullshit... because the party is big and they are chargin people 100$ and people are playing pop remixes its not spiritual?????
i think the whole definition of what "spiritual" is in the first place is warped... i would love to be educated.. or told what your opinion of what "Spititual" is
second i htink a spiritual expoerience is MY experience and i can have that experience anywhere even in the most fucked up place on the planet....
third.. i tihnk we should forget about the whole idea of spirituality... and erase our heads of any perceptions on what this is... |
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Dumdubbydu
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 14:30
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Spirituallity in trance,when????
Bullshit,it`s just a party,enjoy it,live it,but don`t bring this extremely pointless thread here.
The egos always have something to say in trance,always.
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Goannes
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 15:12
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Trance is spiritual
Parties can be spiritual
Parties can just be parties
People in trance are in a spiritual state of mind, a mind on trance music is focussed on the enlighted emptyness, active meditation(drugs or none)
And if you think it has nothing to do with spirituality, then you are right, but the opposite is as much true. Dancing makes you happy(regardless on which music) spirituality aims for happiness. "When people dance, they are the most alive" (Nietzsche)
Parties promote happiness and kindness, too name it spiritual is up the every person individually
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 19:18
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how does that make sense... i think thats completely bullshit... because the party is big and they are chargin people 100$ and people are playing pop remixes its not spiritual?????
i think the whole definition of what "spiritual" is in the first place is warped... i would love to be educated.. or told what your opinion of what "Spititual" is
second i htink a spiritual expoerience is MY experience and i can have that experience anywhere even in the most fucked up place on the planet....
third.. i tihnk we should forget about the whole idea of spirituality... and erase our heads of any perceptions on what this is...
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so I will try to answer your questions...
When people make parties for no other reason than for profit, it loses any original meaning it may or may not have had. Secondly, artists making tracks because it sells and not because they have poured in all of his/her passion and soul into it, it also loses meaning. Commercial things lose any original meaning or intention it may have had, because it becomes a commodity, made only for profiting. Do you think these big parties with big artists playing Prodigy remixes promote the idea of spirituality??? Come to one of these in Tokyo, and tell me what you think after that. It may be spiritual for some but it is certainly not a core message that is embodied within the event itself.
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If you say you would love to be educated on the meaning of spirituality, here is a good start: spirituality is something that exists outside of the physical world as we know it. I think that is simple and although we all have different definitions this can pretty much be a basic point we can all agree to. To me, the trance dance experience is a spiritual act- through an altered state of consciousness we leave our physical world to journey deep into our self, and to another dimension- to find the Light and gain knowledge of the Truth, which some call an expansion of our consciousness.
Some people just scream, jump up and down and never enter this state, but if they are having fun then I have absolutely no problem with that! I¡¦m not saying people have to be spiritual or anything else- as long as you are happy doing what you are doing then I am happy for you.
I think you have a good point, that it is possible to have a spiritual experience anywhere, anytime. You don¡¦t need to be anywhere in particular to do this. However, a spiritual experience is both within the individual but also exists as a group. A spiritual gathering as a group takes on a whole new meaning, and can be a very powerful event, to say the least. So saying it is ONLY YOUR experience is missing the point. Denying any sort of group spiritual experience will only hinder your own Journey.
So that is what prompted me to write here. I found that a psychedelic trance gathering is a great time and place to have a spiritual experience with people who seek the same thing I seek, and to learn from them and share my own experiences, thereby coming closer to enlightenment collectively. This, I thought, was one of the greatest things I have discovered on this planet. However, the current trends I see (especially in Tokyo- which in many ways is the heart of Babylon) have given me the impression that through the commercialization process it is becoming harder and harder to find a spiritually oriented gathering anymore. Many people here go without even understanding the message or having love for the music. But hey, if they are dancing and having fun, no problem. They just have different interpretations of what the music is, and what life itself means to them. Trance has a different definition for all of us, which is one thing that makes it interesting. E
This is why I am here in Tokyo, to try to spread the Light to as many people as possible, through the music and by creating such gatherings. People who do not have any interest in this will not believe what I have to say, at this point in time, but that is perfectly okay. I just hope I can touch as many people as possible with the Light that I have been so fortunate to discover.
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 20:40
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i tottaly agree with you Spliffnik
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 22:00
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 23:48
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This is why I am here in Tokyo, to try to spread the Light to as many people as possible, through the music and by creating such gatherings. People who do not have any interest in this will not believe what I have to say, at this point in time, but that is perfectly okay. I just hope I can touch as many people as possible with the Light that I have been so fortunate to discover.
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spliffnik
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so you are in tokyo to try to spread light are you owner of light bulb company ..or what....what you call light is an idea an experience thats allready gone ,,,allready gone...so what remains is a memory of that what you call light........ |
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 06:00
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hmmmm - interesting erm views people!
maybe the spirit / light HAS gone to greener pastures, like to garage music for example and RnB...
THATS IT ! IM OFF TO JOIN THESE FORUMS - WHOS COMING WITH ME MAAAAn?!
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 19:27
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agree with spliffnik.......and just wanted to add a few thoughts.......
spirituality in one way or another is about getting closer to your ture self going beyond the external influences of our superficial existence.....in the old days the parties had people who collectively made that journey and together formed a kind of collective consciousness which made us feel connected to each other and the cosmic energy....maybe these days people aren't too focussed on self discovery when they come too parties.....after all it is a party....of course it can still be individually enlightening experience....trance music by definition puts you in a trance-like meditative state where most random thoughts are blocked out of the mind.....and yes the drugs do in a way act like a catalyst coz it makes it easier to detach yourself from your reality in the way it makes you dance like no one is looking......but it is definitly not a pre requisite for spirituality!! just becoz someone says they have had spiritual experiences doesn't mean that they must be trippin!!  ......just my opinion....
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Goa.Rachel
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 19:52
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On 2004-07-08 14:23, urkynaohmdajay wrote:
I remember the day when trance was about a spiritual gathering however nowdays i just see clashes of egos and political differences and not much light or is it the music what do you think........
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i think the trance culture is still very spiritual, from what ive seen people are still have it as a way of life.
but maybe this deformation of the culture and our principles caused by new people that are currently getting in to the "scene"
[some of them only !]
and...theres nothing to do, they define "psytrance" as 100% music...
and thats the way we should define it also !
but the situation is that we see it in a way that its more than just music. they are not seeing it. we just taking our perception a few steps further...and thats why some of us thinks that few people on the scene is a bit "shallow", and they are not...they are just enjoying it as music. thats why todays culture looks like it has no spirit anymore.
because its not true...
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