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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 5, 2005 02:33
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On 2005-05-05 01:37, Lord Deo wrote:
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On 2005-05-05 00:59, Colin OOOD wrote:
Look. What part of the phrase 'sample-accurate' don't you understand? With MIDI over cables it is physically impossible for two events to occur simultaneously. VST instruments, on the other hand, have no such limitation as the audio data from a VSTi is pre-calculated before it's needed and output in exact sync - the timing is accurate to within one sample, hence the phrase 'sample-accurate'. |
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if i am not wrong, we were talking about using laptops loaded with vsti's + midi controllers on stage vs hardware. and if your reading abilities are near perfect then you should have known that live performance was the main foundation for all my arguments. not studio production but live performance. in studio you can use dishwashers for what i care. and tell me when you hook up midi controller to the laptop (midi port, usb port, doesn't matter) what protocol is being used? i guess that's midi. thus when using midi controller in conjuction with the laptop, won't the same midi rules apply in this case? so technically when improvising (playing) live on laptop, what difference does the sample accuracy make? please tell me, i see your technical knowledge is beyond mine, so be kind and share some of it.
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Go on - prove to us you can read, and come back understanding what this document says 
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your sarcasm is as lame as you are, did you notice that? anyway i don't care, you can shove it up yours for miles.
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In the context of live performance (which I thought the discussion had moved on from somewhat), you're absolutely right. However if the sole live element is paramters on a VSTi being tweaked from an external MIDI controller (a restrictive stipulation, I agree, but one that is very common for many live acts [my own not included]), then the truth lies somewhere in between. The notes will still be played back with sample-accuracy, but there will be some very small lag in the controller side of it as the notes will be output using the MIDI controller values that were recieved when the note was being calculated.
All sarcasm aside (and there's no need to stoop to accusations of lameness!) I think the MIDI spec is a very useful document that from the content of some of your previous posts on this thread, I reckon it would be very useful for you to get your head round - in fact I'd recommend it to everyone with an interest in electronic music production. It also serves as a good and definitive reference for controller numbers for your external hardware.
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jhanna
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Posted : May 5, 2005 10:33
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heey (lord) deo and other hardware "enthusiasts", when are u gonna show us some of ur tracks.... from what u say they must be very fukin great, from all that knowledge.... but u think not... u aint getting anywhere in the music business ,, more with that anacronic attitude!. lets hear our stuff,, , cmon post something.. make a point .. but i doubt it, you dont have either the balls or the talent.. wake up to the present dudes..hybryd systems is the way to go wether u like it or not so... get frustrated!!! hehehe |
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jhanna
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Posted : May 5, 2005 10:44
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im getting a tc powercore and im ready to kick serious ass!! |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : May 5, 2005 11:04
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Seems like you are too busy preparing for kicking people's asses to read the early posts of this thread. Jhanna, could you also be so kind and post a few links of your success in the music business?
Guys, midi has limitations but they are not getting in the way of making tunes.
People have made tunes with hardware sequencers and Ataris that were extremely fucking tight. If you want to be pedantic and split hairs, knock your selves out, but midi is perfectly fine for making tunes.
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sy000321
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Posted : May 5, 2005 12:43
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Ataris, C64s, BBCs and Acorns... now that's some nice hardware... 
I agree with "14-year old e-tard"!
Post some tracks in the "new tracks" section to support your points.
Having great hardware and/or software ain't enough... you got to have the skill too...
talking is cheap, ya know?
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pmumble
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Posted : May 5, 2005 12:46
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Hi guys, first post.
I'd have to agree that:
MIDI is sloppy compared to sample accurate softsynths (I use AU, so i'm not calling them VST.
But, I still have a room full of hardware. The reason is because hardware is immediate, fun to use, hands on, completely stable, and sometimes, if you know which synths to choose, can sound much better than software.
I will give an undisputable example of where hardware sounds better than software - an analog modular. It's much harder to use, but the sounds that you can get out of it can't even be reproduced by something like Arturia's Moog Modular. Not even close... I've tried. Try to do audio speed frequency modulation between two oscillators on any software synth (or VA outboard), and compare it to a real analog synth, the difference is laughable.
Regardless of all of the above, I still use softsynths in my music. There are synths that just don't have hardware counterparts (Absynth, many Reaktor ensembles), and their ability to be recalled is unsurpassed. I don't even have patch storage on my hardware modular. Patch storage is leaving the cables alone. 
I think a combination of both are the way to go. I went through a phase where I thought I could give up my hardware and the real bummer is when bringing in more and more plugs to your project destabilizes it more and more. You really have to know which plugs to choose or you screw yourself over because any plugin loaded shares the same memory address space as the host, which means if one of them decides to write to the wrong memory address, the whole host goes down. It's lame. Crashes kill the creative flow, and that is why I had to back out from the all software route.
Sliding parts around to compensate for the midi+recording latency does suck, but it's not that bad. It reminds you to mess with the groove anyway.
There are a lot of people with different ways of working here. It's fun to share the way we work, but why argue about it? What matters is if you're making music and having fun doing it. To each their own.
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sy000321
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Posted : May 5, 2005 12:49
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On 2005-05-05 12:46, pmumble wrote:
There are a lot of people with different ways of working here. It's fun to share the way we work, but why argue about it? What matters is if you're making music and having fun doing it. To each their own.
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Agreed
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 17:55
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On 2005-05-05 10:33, jhanna wrote:
heey (lord) deo and other hardware "enthusiasts", when are u gonna show us some of ur tracks.... from what u say they must be very fukin great, from all that knowledge.... but u think not... u aint getting anywhere in the music business ,, more with that anacronic attitude!. lets hear our stuff,, , cmon post something.. make a point .. but i doubt it, you dont have either the balls or the talent.. wake up to the present dudes..hybryd systems is the way to go wether u like it or not so... get frustrated!!! hehehe
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and what makes you doubt my talent or size of my balls? should i demonstrate the balls first???
but for you confused mind, i didn't regirster here with my true artist name, and why would i do that? to get exposure or be known in the psy trance world??? personally i couldn't care less. just like i said before, in any case if you've missed that: i don't do it nor for the money or fame.
so technically you not seeing "lord deo" on the cd cover doesn't really mean that i haven't made any in what you call "the music business". see i don't even treat music as business, but for your commercial ass i guess it's allright to treat it like that.
and just like i said before, being released doesn't prove much, there's shitloads of trax really shitty ones too that got released, and on the other hand there are trax that got thier way only to white label releases. so now be fare and justify the "music business".
anyway to give you some input on my discography and musical experience, this year performed at WMC and Ultra Music Festival as a member of florida allstars. getting ready for the next year, while spinning at the parties.
produced and released many trax, not just trance, but all sort of music: drum'n'bass, ambient, minimal/acid techno, breaks (2-step), some rock projects and hip-hop included. most of those projects were done not for my personal ammusement but just help the broh's out.
as for trax, i don't know are you trying to challenge me or whatever, but i got no problem sending them to anyone of you.
as for attitude, before complaining about mine, i think it's a good idea to take a good look at yours. so what i am trying to say is that, don't give me any of that crap.
and before you go in to measure the size of my balls, i think it will do more good for you if you start acting cool, unless cool is something you're not familiar with.
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EYB
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Posted : May 5, 2005 18:48
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i released 15 albums, all kinds of music, classic, trance (dif. styles), 2 hiphop albums, all kind of german native stuff and so on.
All made with software, mainly freeware.
Played hundret of festivals, and concerts all over the world. This year i am organisating a festival pn the moon.
btw, i am also the emperor of china
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sy000321
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:22
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On 2005-05-05 17:55, Lord Deo wrote:
i don't do it nor for the money or fame.
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Maybe because you can't get any of those...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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orik
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:23
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On 2005-05-05 17:55, Lord Deo wrote:
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On 2005-05-05 10:33, jhanna wrote:
heey (lord) deo and other hardware "enthusiasts", when are u gonna show us some of ur tracks.... from what u say they must be very fukin great, from all that knowledge.... but u think not... u aint getting anywhere in the music business ,, more with that anacronic attitude!. lets hear our stuff,, , cmon post something.. make a point .. but i doubt it, you dont have either the balls or the talent.. wake up to the present dudes..hybryd systems is the way to go wether u like it or not so... get frustrated!!! hehehe
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and what makes you doubt my talent or size of my balls? should i demonstrate the balls first???
but for you confused mind, i didn't regirster here with my true artist name, and why would i do that? to get exposure or be known in the psy trance world??? personally i couldn't care less. just like i said before, in any case if you've missed that: i don't do it nor for the money or fame.
so technically you not seeing "lord deo" on the cd cover doesn't really mean that i haven't made any in what you call "the music business". see i don't even treat music as business, but for your commercial ass i guess it's allright to treat it like that.
and just like i said before, being released doesn't prove much, there's shitloads of trax really shitty ones too that got released, and on the other hand there are trax that got thier way only to white label releases. so now be fare and justify the "music business".
anyway to give you some input on my discography and musical experience, this year performed at WMC and Ultra Music Festival as a member of florida allstars. getting ready for the next year, while spinning at the parties.
produced and released many trax, not just trance, but all sort of music: drum'n'bass, ambient, minimal/acid techno, breaks (2-step), some rock projects and hip-hop included. most of those projects were done not for my personal ammusement but just help the broh's out.
as for trax, i don't know are you trying to challenge me or whatever, but i got no problem sending them to anyone of you.
as for attitude, before complaining about mine, i think it's a good idea to take a good look at yours. so what i am trying to say is that, don't give me any of that crap.
and before you go in to measure the size of my balls, i think it will do more good for you if you start acting cool, unless cool is something you're not familiar with.
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bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...
man...relax, chill, zoola...in the last 5 topics i read here people are just arguing
stupid argues wich goes way of topyc,
and the subject becomes whos ego wont be damaged...people, please enough with all
the "HOOGA BOOGA!!!" and chill!  |
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sy000321
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:26
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On 2005-05-05 17:55, Lord Deo wrote:
as for trax, i don't know are you trying to challenge me or whatever, but i got no problem sending them to anyone of you.
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Would like to hear those, thanks.
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On 2005-05-05 17:55, Lord Deo wrote:
as for attitude, before complaining about mine, i think it's a good idea to take a good look at yours. so what i am trying to say is that, don't give me any of that crap.
and before you go in to measure the size of my balls, i think it will do more good for you if you start acting cool, unless cool is something you're not familiar with.
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lol... can't stop laughing at you posts....
joao
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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:34
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On 2005-05-05 18:48, EYB wrote:
i released 15 albums, all kinds of music, classic, trance (dif. styles), 2 hiphop albums, all kind of german native stuff and so on.
All made with software, mainly freeware.
Played hundret of festivals, and concerts all over the world. This year i am organisating a festival pn the moon.
btw, i am also the emperor of china
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Good for you.
BTW it's spelled "hundred" and not "hundret", and it's "organizing" and not "organisating". spelling might come handy when you start naming those albums of yours just a friendly tip.
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On 2005-05-05 19:22, sy000321 wrote:
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On 2005-05-05 17:55, Lord Deo wrote:
i don't do it nor for the money or fame.
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Maybe because you can't get any of those...
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maybe. oh wait, and how much of that action are you getting? and you must be europe's new poster child i assume, a breatny spears of trance music maybe?
But if the music is the major source of your glory and income, don't you have anything better to do, instead of hanging out here?
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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:38
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sy000321
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:45
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On 2005-05-05 19:34, Lord Deo wrote:
Good for you.
BTW it's spelled "hundred" and not "hundret", and it's "organizing" and not "organisating". spelling might come handy when you start naming those albums of yours just a friendly tip.
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lololol... no need for accurate typing in psy-stuff... also, would like to see you try german or portuguese or another language than american-english...
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On 2005-05-05 19:34, Lord Deo wrote:
maybe. oh wait, and how much of that action are you getting? and you must be europe's new poster child i assume, a breatny spears of trance music maybe?
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lololol... you are trying to be funny, right?
no... i didn't claim to be any of either... also i've already got a job Thanks
HEY... you misspeled Britney...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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