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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:59
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On 2005-05-05 19:45, sy000321 wrote:
lololol... you are trying to be funny, right?
no... i didn't claim to be any of either... also i've already got a job  Thanks
HEY... you misspeled Britney...
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so you are in the same boat as me. i mean it is obvious that you know, getting fame and money ain't that easy, especially when psy trance is being all underground, far from mainstream.
if i was after money, i'd choose some other music style to go with, where there's plenty more $$$. wouldn't you do the same?
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EYB
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Posted : May 5, 2005 20:03
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sy000321 u said it
Lord Deo u are a joke.
Tell me a track that u have released, maybe then i believe u a little bit of that shit that u write, else i think u r just be a 'wanna-be'.
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Pavel
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Posted : May 5, 2005 21:04
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EYB--> You get 4 points for the emperor joke. You can use them to buy Lord Deo's last single on amazon.com
And back to the topic!
Ego games are out.
And 14-year-e-tard--> i heard his tunes, he knows his shit 
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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 21:20
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On 2005-05-05 20:03, EYB wrote:
sy000321 u said it
Lord Deo u are a joke.
Tell me a track that u have released, maybe then i believe u a little bit of that shit that u write, else i think u r just be a 'wanna-be'.
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me? a joke? never mind. i can see that online your insulting abilities are unmatched. i wonder if in reality you can put your mouth where your ass is.
i could tell you what tracks i have reliesed but don't see point in that either, cus in your hating state of mind i can see that you're ready to diss anything and everyone who doesn't agree with you at some point. think of me "wanna-be" i don't care, as long as you are superstar of trance movement. morons are last of the things that worry me right now.
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EYB
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Posted : May 5, 2005 23:31
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Man keep cool, i don't want to offend u, i just would like to listen one of ur tracks.
Where is the problem?
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Lord Deo
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Posted : May 5, 2005 23:39
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On 2005-05-05 23:31, EYB wrote:
Man keep cool, i don't want to offend u, i just would like to listen one of ur tracks.
Where is the problem?
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well the problem is that you offended me though. people have different tastes in music production, and when you read my very first post, to which you replied as to "narrow minded", i stated that it was my personal opinion and wasn't meant to cause any arguments. but many got way too personal on me, and that's when i thought a musicians community wasn't a ghetto, where people shared or at least respected each other's opinions, but guess i was wrong. eh well too bad.
anyway,
if you want to listen to my tracks, you're more then welcome, just pm me your email.
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Pavel
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Posted : May 5, 2005 23:44
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OK. Personal insights and insults go through PM.
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mk-ultra
MK-Ultra
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Posted : May 8, 2005 14:41
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On 2005-04-16 17:33, Astralasia wrote:
I not a big fan of software since it sounds so flat (there is one or two good softwares)
all that talk about software is just as good as hardware, is just wrong!!
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i have to say this topic is of great interest and it is a shame it has devolved into a shitfight.....
hardware is indispensable.....period.
for one thing you can't run software without it in the form of a computer.
I think the real issue here is sonic quality.
From the point of view of a digital workstation how many musicians clock their DAW's externally?
I depend on the Rosendahl Nanosync for providing near zero jitter wordclock, something few computers achieve. The difference in detail and clarity, soundstage and presence is amazing.
The TC Finalizer is an incredibly versatile piece of kit which allows upsampling to 96kHz over AES/EBU for mastering as well as high quality DA/AD.
Outboard class A analogue equipment has a bandwidth from DC to around 150kHz and can individualise sounds with unique characteristics, particularly valve gear. These kinds of units are being gradually replaced with rackmounted gear such as Crane Song's HEDD 192.
When it comes to analogue synthesizers I have to say I am a great fan. I use a Roland Jupiter 6, SH101, Freeform Analogue Technologies Freebass FB383, and a Dave Smith Evolver and no software equivalent approaches the depth and sonic character of these instruments. On the other hand, no hardware synth possesses the qualities of Absynth for instance. In the same way I can't find a good reason to ditch the Virus or the Nord and the Kurzweil is just too deep to be irrelevant.
I use an Emagic AMT 8 which demolishes the 'MIDI timing is no good' argument put forward in previous posts because it buffers MIDI data and delivers it simultaneously to all channels. It was this piece of hardware which brought back the timing accuracy of the Atari platform to the Logic sequencer program and besides, sample accurate timing is of no use to a groove keys player, you can automate a sequencer but you can't automate inspiration.....
I think Klaus Schulze of Tangerine dream made a valid point when he distinguished the important quality of playing a real hardware instrument; you can do it with your eyes closed and every control is there on the surface. A lot of MIDI controllers allow this also but having a dedicated controller for every function is a feature not to be underestimated. Most of the old analogue synths have this feature and they are unique in that you can play them as real standalone instruments without booting a computer! I think it is great to be able to develop sounds and playing technique with a real keyboard with a nice action without having to depend on a computer to make it happen - they are great for recording ideas once inspiration occurs but for me they are not inspiring in themselves.
I think it is important to remember everything has possibilities and limitations and, ultimately, the most important piece of hardware for any musician hoping to be heard is someone else's CD player. Inspired tunes made on crap equipment will outshine badly polished turds any day! |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : May 9, 2005 12:13
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On 2005-05-08 14:41, mk-ultra wrote:
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Agreed.
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On 2005-05-08 14:41, mk-ultra wrote:
I use an Emagic AMT 8 which demolishes the 'MIDI timing is no good' argument put forward in previous posts because it buffers MIDI data and delivers it simultaneously to all channels. |
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I have used an AMT8 in my studio as my midi interface, and also used an analog sequencer which was dead tight, as the master midi clock, but to no avail. I think it is also a matter of mobo/midi interface coupling issues, as I can't think of anything else to try. Anyway, it is not a real issue as far as I am concerned either, since I always record everything as audio, including soft synths that I put through outboard compressors/filters to give them that "edge" that I find they lack.
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On 2005-05-08 14:41, mk-ultra wrote:Inspired tunes made on crap equipment will outshine badly polished turds any day!
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True.
Just to add something else, I am a big fan of the analog sound and a few of my records have had nothing else but analog synth sounds (one side has had nothing else but analog modular synth sounds), but soft synths (especially DSP based ones) have reached a stage today, were they do not come second to analog/digital hardware synths in terms of quality, they simply sound different.
I'll always use analog because of the way I work and the inspiration I get from them, but if I had nothing but a Creamware set-up with 15-20 DSP chips, I'd knock out tunes that would not sound the same as the ones I do now, but they would not come second in terms of quality.
Anyway, I am only repeating what others have said many times beore that it is best to use both. Cold sounding digital synths like a DX7 or a Nord Lead, sound great and give a nice contrast of sound to analog patches in the same mix.
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br0d
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Posted : May 9, 2005 14:37
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This thread makes the baby Jesus cry. |
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sy000321
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Posted : May 9, 2005 14:38
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On 2005-05-09 14:37, br0d wrote:
This thread makes the baby Jesus cry.
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lolololololol
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : May 9, 2005 14:40
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One day this forum will be HardwareVsSoftware and not psy production 
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roll a joint or STFU :) |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : May 9, 2005 14:58
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Quit your moaning, skip through the bullshit, read the constructive posts and you'll see that there are some good and honest opinions that make this thread a good one.
If you are taking the piss, feel free to continue
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mk-ultra
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Posted : May 9, 2005 22:02
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On 2005-05-09 12:13, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
soft synths (especially DSP based ones) have reached a stage today, were they do not come second to analog/digital hardware synths in terms of quality, they simply sound different.
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I have to agree, dedicate DSp is the future
There is no difference in the software used to drive the Powercore Virus/Novation V-Station from that used in the hardware equivalents. The difference lies in their playability....
I think advances in native processing power will give convolution algorithms the edge in obviating the need to buss digital signals out to analogue gear to get that musical colouration.
for example: using an impulse/response plug-in such as Waves IR or Space Designer it is quite straightforward to sample Class A analogue flavour at 96kHz. The Focusrite Liquid Channel is an example of soft hardware employing this concept. Sampling hardware isn't new but to achieve it you still need hardware. For some reason the channel modules from the proprietary EMI consoles used to mix down the Beatles albums are currently being reproduced and they aren't cheap. Rupert Neve reckons 48 bit/192kHz platforms will approach the sonic scope of analogue equipment....
Sampling via convolution may offer the technology path to allow the creation of virtual spaces and sound unavailable in the real world through the soft engineering of desirable sonic characteristics. |
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