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Is there any advantage to NOT learning a lot about music?
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Wizack Twizack
Wizack Twizack
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Posted : May 8, 2009 17:54
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On 2009-05-08 01:48, Freeflow wrote:
"Is there any advantage to NOT learning a lot about music?"
yeah if you want to learn programming antivirus programs....
Remy and Wizack Twizack - i really dont understand how knowing more about music and musictheory can make you not like certain music.. how can this change your taste? you leave me thinking that either you are too snob about music and that it should be in a certain way... like " ohh its supposed to be a C here not a C#"
i think many musicians have the biggest egos, maybe you guys think that all music should be done in the way you think?
can you explain why? it would be interesting....
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really the more i learn about music the more i like it and appreciate it....
and what spindrift says that a mind that is clean from rules can often experiment more, i miss that from being a complete newbie...
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cuz its not so intressting anymore for me to listen, has nothing to do with snobish or ego?
just my personal feelings to the music, like i dont get the wow feeling from some stuff that i mayby some time ago got it from isntead just a "aha" feeling. Ok i didnt mean i dont LIKE it anymore.. just looking for other stuff instead that i get wow feelings from. Guess i just wanna learn more.
i donno. just what i feel.
bOm..
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 8, 2009 18:29
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On 2009-05-08 12:15, Tomos wrote:
Re: Jimi,
I don't think that's strictly true. He did practice a hell of a lot and a lot of his technique borrows from blues scales and some jazz, so although he might not have known why he was doing it, he knew which notes sounded bluesy and incorporated them into his music.
edit: although he did play his guitar upside down!
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Exactly. Plus his srat was upside down, but it was restrung into a leftie.
Jimi did not become who he is today because he was not fluent in music theory, they just had really damn good acid back then!
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 9, 2009 18:30
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On 2009-05-08 17:54, Wizack Twizack wrote:
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On 2009-05-08 01:48, Freeflow wrote:
"Is there any advantage to NOT learning a lot about music?"
yeah if you want to learn programming antivirus programs....
Remy and Wizack Twizack - i really dont understand how knowing more about music and musictheory can make you not like certain music.. how can this change your taste? you leave me thinking that either you are too snob about music and that it should be in a certain way... like " ohh its supposed to be a C here not a C#"
i think many musicians have the biggest egos, maybe you guys think that all music should be done in the way you think?
can you explain why? it would be interesting....
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really the more i learn about music the more i like it and appreciate it....
and what spindrift says that a mind that is clean from rules can often experiment more, i miss that from being a complete newbie...
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cuz its not so intressting anymore for me to listen, has nothing to do with snobish or ego?
just my personal feelings to the music, like i dont get the wow feeling from some stuff that i mayby some time ago got it from isntead just a "aha" feeling. Ok i didnt mean i dont LIKE it anymore.. just looking for other stuff instead that i get wow feelings from. Guess i just wanna learn more.
i donno. just what i feel.
bOm..
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Okej, thats too bad... Hope you find something that rocks your chair...
There is lots of music to listen to...
anyway have you heard
Va - the well of enchanted sounds...
pretty nice tracks in there...
Also
L.A.B - Trippin Trolls
L.A.B - Puzzle
Maybe you should search through some old Goa tracks... Cydonia, Pigs in space, Pleiadians, Psygone, to mention a few..
I dont think you have to get the wow feeling all the time, its all about your state of mind.... maybe to a track you dont like at home you will dance like a maniac at a forest party...
Well anyway you and remys post struck me as a bit snobish cause you didnt even explain why...
cheers
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Gaiana
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Posted : May 9, 2009 19:12
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I guess for those who learn more about music, its about learning to appreciate music more deeply.. yet it would seem that for some this can also lead to enjoying most music a lot less.
It comes down to Mind vs Heart i guess.
Like some people here said, they don't get the wow feeling as often any more, just because the music does not fit their frame of reference anymore, or from their frame of knowledge the music lacks depth and complexity.
That to me does not sound like a better journey into a deeper appreciation of music really.
Quality over Quantity, yes for sure, yet if you stay stuck within a single frame of reference, your judgment of what is quality becomes restricted, making you lose out on so many possible ways to enjoy sound.
For myself, i purposely avoided music theory for a long time, while i was discovering my sound.
Now, i still do not posses a deep knowledge of music theory, but i am actively starting to learn more theory now that i already have a firm base of knowledge gleaned by self experimentation and practical experience.
The main difference being, during the time i was just exploring, i was learning not only with my mind, but more importantly i was learning with my heart.
The kind of music knowledge you gain by practice and self experience is different from knowledge received through books and theory.
This ensures you keep an objective frame of reference, even if you later start to learn by mind.
I know many might see learning through self experience as just another way of reinventing the wheel over and over.. yet for me it is not so much about the knowledge in itself, but about how that knowledge was gained.
Journey vs Destination.
Like spindrift already said, just make sure you enjoy the journey!
For good music is not only born from true mastership and virtuosity.. true music arises from the joy that is released through the act of creating.
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 9, 2009 19:23
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Gaiana - or the frustration 
Wiz maybe you should listen more to other kinds of music and also try and create them.... make some hiphop and dub, some chillout and electro... or hardcore... whatever.. i only heard psytrance from you...
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parapsyched
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Posted : May 10, 2009 14:40
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too many technicians not enough musicians....
that`s the biggest problem of the whole electronic genre these last few years. it became more about production and less about music.
altough i admit not knowing may lead in some very artistic and experimental ways, it will probably sound like that, not like real music. maybe we`re heading towards a different way of listening maybe it`s going to be more about psychoacoustics and how it makes you feel and less about real music.
something like : bip bip bip biiiiiiiip blup blup bi bi bi bip kapawww shhewww bip. 
montonic and "unmusical" (don`t shoot me  )
as it is techno is still a style who ppl listen to and enjoy. just for example.(sorry tech lover`s no offence)
but as elad said... no theory what so ever is 99% of the time is just chaotic noise.
the fact is music theory has been evolving for hundreds of years there are certain "rules" which came about over the years. these "rules" are more guidelines or conclusions on what is "right" and what "works" on us as human beings. there are certain things which are sort of a universal truth and knowing them wont hurt anyone.
in the end theory is there to explain why something works. it`s not there to tell u how to make something work but it sure does help.
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
"dream is destiny"
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x-rayz
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : May 11, 2009 02:35
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On 2009-05-09 19:23, Freeflow wrote:
Gaiana - or the frustration
Wiz maybe you should listen more to other kinds of music and also try and create them.... make some hiphop and dub, some chillout and electro... or hardcore... whatever.. i only heard psytrance from you...
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ouff.. dude if u only knew i listen to alot of stuff, really alot. big fan of dnb, dub and pretty much all electronic music.
and yea, i only released psytrance tracks myself. But it all started with hiphop =) then later reggae, we actually released one album many years ago with some friends. I do do other kind of music also.
bOm..
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Andrew
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Posted : May 11, 2009 07:05
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bukboy
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Posted : May 11, 2009 10:35
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Learning music theory has made me perceive the creation process, as a series of technical choices aimed at pushing the audience's hot buttons.
Now when I listen to music I hear what intervals are played, and what harmonies, I can hear the contrasts, and I can remember the parts over the whole and see their impact as contrasts.
However, in understanding how it works, it becomes obvious that music as an institution, is just a skill/trade that pushes peoples buttons, and music theory helps you see where all those buttons are and how to push them.
If you know how to push peoples buttons, they start looking less like agents of free will, and become like marionettes bouncing up and down to tribal beats.
Now I see that creativity is 10% direction, and technical choices and implementation are 90% , at which point music just seems like a rearrangement of different techniques with a smattering of individuality or uniqueness.
Music theory has given me a deep understanding of how what I'm listening to affects me, and also because of that I'm faced with the predictability of my nature.
Ive gotten over music. It doesn't seem magic to me anymore. Its nice to be taken flying by a clever piece, but afterwards when Im back down, it seems like some reptilian part of me was fooled into undertaking a journey by the skillful buttons pushing of the artist. Maybe that exposes the whole of my life as having components of that kind.
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Gaiana
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Posted : May 11, 2009 12:42
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Ive gotten over music. It doesn't seem magic to me anymore. Its nice to be taken flying by a clever piece, but afterwards when Im back down, it seems like some reptilian part of me was fooled into undertaking a journey by the skillful buttons pushing of the artist. Maybe that exposes the whole of my life as having components of that kind.
Ive gotten over music.
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That makes me want to say "Hope you get well soon mate!"
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bukboy
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Posted : May 11, 2009 13:50
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I don't think I'm ill.
In fact I could argue that I have a more objective perspective. |
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