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Is there any advantage to NOT learning a lot about music?
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 7, 2009 15:10
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It seems to me like some of you misunderstand the question of the topic.
It's not "are there any advantages of knowing a lot about music" but "is there any advantage not learning a lot about music".
Obviously knowing the rules does not mean you have to strictly follow them, but IMO it's a bit naive to think that knowledge cannot make you use solutions you know work rather than experimenting.
At least I know that for me and many others that can be the case sometimes.
But of course knowledge is generally helpful even if it can have some disadvantages.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 7, 2009 15:24
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Yeah Elad missed it there  .
Spindrift, Remy and Product Placement gave replies that were exactly what I was looking for (both ends of the spectrum). Spindrift- the example of working with someone else with less knowledge is exactly what I was looking for (I figured someone had run across this at least once).
As opposed to Remy, for me, the more I've learned about music and production, the more music I appreciate (even if I don't "like" it, I can see the skill used in making it).
Like I said I can see this going either way. Me being a knowledge whore, I will probably end up learning everything I can about music theory (the physics behind sound interest me more actually).
I'm not trying to sway people away from learning more about music (I do think it is more advantageous to learn more about this subject), but just thought it was a good topic to bring up as many people may not think of it in this way. I think Spindrift's example is a perfect situation that some may not have thought they will encounter.
Thanks for the replies so far!
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Tomos
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Posted : May 7, 2009 18:38
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My earliest music attempts - terrible production, no flow, no phrasing, generally awful.. amazing melodies.
Latest stuff - everything else much better, predictable dull melodies.
Go figure!
I've lost the ability to experiment because I'm forever sticking to what I know works quite well, I've not gone out on a limb (or my ear) looking for new craziness  |
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Ascension
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Posted : May 7, 2009 18:53
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Maybe experiment with making other genres of music (or just subgenres of psytrance). In the short time I've been producing, I've found that working in other genres and subgenres helps my overall skill. Sometimes I even try to make something like a pad in chillout, but then end up creating one that would work well in a morning track, saving it and using it for that purpose.
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 7, 2009 21:11
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The more you know about which notes to play, the better you will be at leaving a lot of them out. 
Then again there are people that go on a musical/scale wankfest (IM), but that has more to do with taste, than knowledge.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 7, 2009 21:13
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 7, 2009 21:17
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There was also a famous blues man (BB King/Albert Colins, don't remember) that was sitting next to some shredder playing 100 notes per second...He said with a confident smile, whilst bending one note on and on...that young man is searching hard for the right note to play, I have found mine
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Elad
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Posted : May 7, 2009 23:08
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On 2009-05-07 15:24, Ascension wrote:
Yeah Elad missed it there .
Spindrift, Remy and Product Placement gave replies that were exactly what I was looking for (both ends of the spectrum).
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well chromatic scale isnt easy to do right.
with music theory there are limits , but you choose them..
sorry not give you the answer you look for but i still think so...
easiest way to check will be to say who your favorite artists are , i bet they know something and isnt only synthesis expiriments.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 7, 2009 23:20
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On 2009-05-07 23:08, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-05-07 15:24, Ascension wrote:
Yeah Elad missed it there .
Spindrift, Remy and Product Placement gave replies that were exactly what I was looking for (both ends of the spectrum).
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well chromatic scale isnt easy to do right.
with music theory there are limits , but you choose them..
sorry not give you the answer you look for but i still think so...
easiest way to check will be to say who your favorite artists are , i bet they know something and isnt only synthesis expiriments.
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The point of this thread wasn't to count out learning music theory as a useful tool, but to examine some of the negative aspects of learning specific methods to produce music/sounds. Everyone immediately assumes that learning more is always better, but there have been some people posting in here that have said the opposite. There are a lot of basic things I think all producers/artists should know, just some of the more advanced techniques that might hinder their ability to think outside the box.
Obviously you can choose what knowledge you want to use, but if you are trying to learn how to produce music and only learn one path, you might not think of other ways to produce outside of what you have learned. If I'm learning how to drive from A to B by only taking street C, I may not think to look at the side roads as a different way to get there and might miss out on some nice scenery/a faster route/whatever.
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : May 7, 2009 23:57
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On 2009-05-07 10:25, Remy [POF] wrote:
for me, the more i learned about music theory and production, the more my taste has become sectarien and the less music i like...
it's quite sad actually i almost don't like anything... there is like a handful of artists in each genre i can stand listening to...
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+1. Same here.
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 8, 2009 01:48
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"Is there any advantage to NOT learning a lot about music?"
yeah if you want to learn programming antivirus programs....
Remy and Wizack Twizack - i really dont understand how knowing more about music and musictheory can make you not like certain music.. how can this change your taste? you leave me thinking that either you are too snob about music and that it should be in a certain way... like " ohh its supposed to be a C here not a C#"
i think many musicians have the biggest egos, maybe you guys think that all music should be done in the way you think?
can you explain why? it would be interesting....
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really the more i learn about music the more i like it and appreciate it....
and what spindrift says that a mind that is clean from rules can often experiment more, i miss that from being a complete newbie...
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Elad
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Posted : May 8, 2009 02:35
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i appreciate less artists but much more the ones that are still in the top notch. they are more then gods to me.
but sure today listen to some stuff i liked i realize how simple it is , makes me apricate it less but not love it less , hell i like 3 chords songs
but better the chords will be ones from the books and not randon notes too...
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Ascension
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Posted : May 8, 2009 02:55
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Upavas
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Posted : May 8, 2009 12:00
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I guess it depends on the individual.
For me it was very helpful to learn about music theory and the likes, once I had the technique figured out I could literally forget about it, it is simply always there , like an undercurrent. Just like I mentioned above, once I knew how to ride a bike, I knew.
There are other individuals who may actually have benefited from NOT learning about music theory, one prime example that comes to mind is Jimi Hendrix, who to me is the number one genius on the guitar until today, he never learned squat about music theory, actually he is reported to have played the guitar with a different technique than any other person before or after him, and look what he did, without any music theory, without anyone even showing him how to play a guitar.
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Tomos
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Posted : May 8, 2009 12:15
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Re: Jimi,
I don't think that's strictly true. He did practice a hell of a lot and a lot of his technique borrows from blues scales and some jazz, so although he might not have known why he was doing it, he knew which notes sounded bluesy and incorporated them into his music.
edit: although he did play his guitar upside down! |
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